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BOMBARDIER INC CL-600-2C10PSA Airlines

1,089 lines · 18:46:52.0 – 20:48:00.1 · Washington, DC, 2025-01-30

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  • 20:47:47.8INT-2(woah/below).
  • 20:47:52.5INT-1alright kinda come left for me ma'am I think that's why he's asking.
  • 20:47:54.3INT-2sure.
  • 20:47:55.3INT-1we're kinda... COCKPIT VOICE RECORDER (HELICOPTER) DCA25MA108
  • 20:47:55.3GROUPCHAIRMAN'S FACTUAL REPORT PG 115 OF 116 Time and Intra-Aircraft Communication Time and Over-the-Air Communication Source Source
  • 20:47:55.4INT-2oh-kay. fine.
  • 20:47:56.4INT-1...out towards the middle.
  • 20:47:57.7INT-2[sound similar to mumbling]
  • 20:47:59.2RDO[sound similar to ELT signal]
  • 20:48:00.1FPS[sound of rapid beeping similar to stabilator auto mode fail master caution, continues to end of recording]

Crew communication

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officer: 3 in minute 122Controllers18:4618:5619:0619:1619:2619:3619:4619:5620:0620:1620:2620:3620:46
Utterances per minute, one row per speaker on one clock. shaded = sterile-cockpit window · red = end of recording.
Sterile cockpit · 14 CFR 121.542

Window: 18:30:21–20:47:59 · basis: recorder pressure altitude below 10,000 ft. Candidate non-pertinent lines below are a first reading for the investigator, not a finding; “@” marks the Board's own non-pertinent-word notation.

  • 19:11:39.1“@[Crew Chief] do you need heat back there bud?”@
  • 19:12:28.1“ok we should see some wires kinda coming up on the north side.”
  • 19:12:38.6“let me know if we cross that road to the west we've gone too far.”
  • 19:14:03.1“the river's snaking up to the right and the road's snaking up to the left.”
  • 19:14:08.6“that's good. come right a little bit. another...”
  • 19:16:12.6“are we R-P inbound at this point?”
  • 19:16:45.1“we know it's pretty close to the road.”
  • 19:17:55.7“that large lit building may be part of it.”
  • 19:17:59.1“it do look like a greenhouse.”
  • 19:18:19.5“I can definitely say I have the greenhouse in sight.”
  • 19:18:22.1“it is blinding the # out of me.”
  • 19:18:37.0“just uh- yeah just right of the greenhouse let's see.”
  • 19:18:43.4“down a bit- I think you just passed it. let's see.”
  • 19:18:52.9“I thought that might have been the building that was in the pictures but I don't think it was.”
  • 19:18:58.2“expecting it to be lit at night. that's intense.”
  • 19:20:48.9“I think it’s off to...that's the strip too so come right a little further.”
  • 19:20:59.6“where's the strip? I need you to point it out to me.”
  • 19:21:59.2“yup. looks pretty flat. minor grass. not worried about it.”
  • 19:22:35.2“uh and I think we were here at about the right time.”
  • 19:22:49.2“yeah we were pretty close on it. and then just had to uh come around. that greenhouse is really...”
  • 19:22:57.9“have you been down here at night and seen that?”
  • 19:23:04.8“yeah I would've uh had us avoid that a little bit. sorry about that.”
  • 19:24:54.2“left rear is back inside and re-secured.”
  • 19:25:39.0“I actually don't know if that strip is still in the F-A-A.”
  • 19:25:44.4“I was trying to look it up last night and it wouldn't show up. looks like they didn't renew some paperwork or something.”
  • 19:27:39.3“@[Crew Chief] do you have a preferred method for this transfer?”@
  • 19:30:00.8“nah I wouldn't say I prefer it but I'll just leave it on at this point. we're going to be going back in and I know I will end up forgetting it.”
  • 19:30:26.4“that should keep us out of Culpeper's airspace.”
  • 19:30:44.3“is Culpeper gonna be to our gonna stay to our northwest?”
  • 19:31:41.0“okay we're gonna cross over the intersection that's our R-P.”
  • 19:32:04.2“I did not start my clock looks like you did. * * your side. master caution.”
  • 19:32:42.9“what's the shelf out here or are we outside the shelf?”
  • 19:35:21.1“um what airport is that out the right?”
  • 19:35:28.5“I genuinely can't remember right now oh that's um Warrenton yup.”
  • 19:36:14.4“looking good the intersection that we wanted to cross is right- is coming up.”
  • 19:39:21.8“sweet. you want me to turn it off?”
  • 19:39:42.7“we're coming up on another intersection and turning to...”
  • 19:43:13.1“* we're going to be turning to the north.”
  • 19:46:27.3“and then I need you back to the left please.”
  • 19:46:39.9“yup. I'm a little high as well. correcting.”
  • 19:47:18.3“can I get the heat on for a little bit?”
  • 19:47:21.1“did turn that rheostat down so * turn it back up.”
  • 19:47:28.8“no I turned the rheostat down you'll have to turn it back up.”
  • 19:49:58.5“it resolved pretty quickly but we should have I should have * more.”
  • 19:50:03.1“yup. so I mean that's the whole point of the F-R-C cards right...”
  • 19:50:06.2“...is to get us away from doing those things automatically.”
  • 19:50:45.5“okay thank you yeah you're absolutely right. i sometimes forget that.”
  • 19:57:05.3“tryin' to get that turn in. every time I'm turning right she's...”
  • 19:57:50.9“'kay. we're entering back into the SFRA fairly soon.”
  • 20:01:06.9“okay. you can turn back to the right please.”
  • 20:01:55.7“would you be up for me flying for a little while?”
  • 20:03:32.8“but we were just coming up to the firehouse so timing is good so far.”
  • 20:03:47.9“that's an international airport I had no idea.”
  • 20:03:49.9“no I doubt it. I don't think they are.”
  • 20:06:25.7“alright you warm enough for a bit @[CrewChief]?”@
  • 20:07:47.8“oh that's why. mother trucker.”
  • 20:09:50.3“we shouldn't need to use the FARP unless you want to.”
  • 20:09:52.8“uh yeah no. uh well I don't know. when we burn this off it'll be close.”
  • 20:09:58.4“might as well use 'em I hate not using 'em. I always feel really bad I'm like aw man they gotta sit out there.”
  • 20:10:07.2“I know so it’s like when you don't use 'em. I don't know I always feel bad.”
The Board’s own notations

Delivery and physiological notes the transcribers added in brackets, plus # expletives. 128 words are marked unintelligible (*).

  • #19:18:22.1“it is blinding the # out of me.”
  • #19:25:28.2“yeah I'm going to use that strip more. make people fly into that # greenhouse. COCKPIT VOICE RECORDER (HELICOPTER) DCA25MA108”
  • spoken as 'kay highway19:35:35.3“KHWY. [spoken as 'kay highway]”
  • #20:20:27.8“yup. you're good. feels like you're gettin' your # kicked with some uh wind to the left right?”
  • #20:28:39.2“holy #.”
  • #20:28:44.7“I just saw our shadow and almost pooped myself. that was # terrifying.”
  • #20:29:36.7“that was a terrible # call.”
  • sound similar to mumbling20:47:57.7“[sound similar to mumbling]”
Silences of 45 s or more
Concerns voiced, and what followed

Hedged or questioning lines from one pilot in the critical window, with the other pilot’s next words.

  • 19:18:23.6“[sound of quick laugh] go ahead I think we have this long pathway here to the right if we need to go around and set back down we can.”
    → 19:18:32.1“yeah I don't- I'm not seein' anything that looks like a landing area. where you at ma'am? where are you looking at?”
  • 19:18:32.1“yeah I don't- I'm not seein' anything that looks like a landing area. where you at ma'am? where are you looking at?”
    → 19:18:37.0“just uh- yeah just right of the greenhouse let's see.”
  • 19:19:05.6“keep slowin' back I think we're right about at the landing area.”
    → 19:19:10.1“sorry I'm just trying to get over that thing. yeah I think I've got the strip out the left door. and clear left.”
  • 19:19:10.1“sorry I'm just trying to get over that thing. yeah I think I've got the strip out the left door. and clear left.”
    → 19:19:16.9“okay. clear left.”
  • 19:25:51.0“I found them on uh flight aware or something like googling but yeah didn't check the uh...didn't check it. okay alright so taking out of here with this heading which * to be a little off it looks like it’s more like a three three five no three four three.”
    → 19:26:09.7“cool.”
  • 19:29:55.7“and since we're outside the SFRA if you want to you can uh like turn off that landing light but I don't know if you prefer it.”
    → 19:30:00.8“nah I wouldn't say I prefer it but I'll just leave it on at this point. we're going to be going back in and I know I will end up forgetting it.”
  • 19:34:43.3“let me try a different frequency I think.”
    → 19:35:21.1“um what airport is that out the right?”
  • 19:38:22.1“what is that frequency in two is that Warrenton or Culpeper?”
    → 19:38:25.3“that was Culpeper. COCKPIT VOICE RECORDER (HELICOPTER) DCA25MA108”
  • 19:40:59.4“are we just descending and slowing a little bit all good?”
    → 19:41:01.5“*.”
  • 19:41:18.5“what's that?”
    → 19:41:19.3“sorry about that.”
  • 19:46:50.1“I thought we went over to the three one heading or whatever.”
    → 19:46:54.9“no you're good and then yeah correct down to two thousand a little bit.”
  • 19:47:37.0“to the right? I'm not sure *.”
    → 19:47:45.3“there it goes wide open.”
  • 19:50:09.8“um yeah we all just pretty much confirmed that it probably is just going to be an auto control reset. but the whole point of the F-R-Cs is 'cause we end up killing ourselves because we do something without confirming and verifying. and so I mean that's yeah the idea is if its not an immediate step we're getting in the checklist we're working as a crew um to ensure we're doing the right thing. again it is a mentality it is a tough mentality to just slow down. * I know how to fix this but I'm going to read the book anyways. but that- that's you know that's what they want. that's what we're looking for so.”
    → 19:50:45.5“okay thank you yeah you're absolutely right. i sometimes forget that.”
  • 19:51:17.3“coming right. I do see what looks like a small little town over there to the uh one o'clock maybe. COCKPIT VOICE RECORDER (HELICOPTER) DCA25MA108”
    → 19:51:22.5“I think so.”
  • 19:53:18.7“I think it’s still pushing us a little bit so a little farther so like three five zero.”
    → 19:53:23.1“three five zero.”
  • 19:53:39.5“I don't know about you but I'm feeling a little dizzy like looking down and around with the winds or whatever it is but not too bad.”
    → 19:53:44.4“roger.”
  • 19:56:37.5“is that just turbulence or do you need assistance?”
    → 19:56:40.1“no that's just turb. I'm trying to turn with uh- yeah we're just gettin' pushed pretty far out of trim. trying to keep her in trim and get that turn in she did not like it. she did not like it.”
  • 20:18:34.2“uh I think it'd beee probably better. because you're turning in to the wind right?”
    → 20:18:36.4“okay. yeah.”
  • 20:19:00.5“what's that?”
    → 20:19:01.2“uh the winds should be out the- out of your right- off the right door.”
  • 20:20:21.2“*. yeah I'm not sure I'm. I'm.”
    → 20:20:25.4“what's up?”
  • 20:24:33.7“and its uh...yeah with it blowing obviously the wind sock doesn't look like its blowing very much. the windsock has it kind of...I guess the windsock has it blowing as a three zero zero. so that's the thing with a helipad I mean you can kind of come in any way you want as long as you as long as you can make aware. obviously those lights out the right door and that tower make it uh not conducive to be over here.”
    → 20:24:59.6“good challenge though. worth a try.”
  • 20:27:36.6“alright. that's not the right route.”
    → 20:28:03.2“right crew. COCKPIT VOICE RECORDER (HELICOPTER) DCA25MA108”
  • 20:32:28.8“I don't know if that last one * not. * before that though.”
    → 20:32:49.5“okay ma'am you can fly. sounds like you've communicated all that needs to be communicated.”
  • 20:42:16.1“I don't see him yet.”
    → 20:42:18.0“* he's gonna be down in the lights.”
Warnings and the response
  • 19:46:10.1[sound of rapid beeping similar to stabilator auto mode fail master caution]
    → 1.7 s later: 19:46:11.8“master caution. COCKPIT VOICE RECORDER (HELICOPTER) DCA25MA108”
  • 20:48:00.1[sound of rapid beeping similar to stabilator auto mode fail master caution, continues to end of recording]
    → no crew words within 5 s
Questions between the pilots left unanswered
Standard callouts
Go aroundV1 · not in transcriptRotate / Vr · not in transcriptV2 · not in transcriptPositive rate · not in transcriptGear up · not in transcript1,000 ft · not in transcript500 ft · not in transcriptMinimums · not in transcriptGear down · not in transcriptRunway in sight · not in transcriptStabilized · not in transcript

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Captain3,924522696058
First officer3,721242530057
Observer / jumpseat333510005

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18:46:52.0STASTARTOF RECORDINGp.13
19:11:08STASTARTOF TRANSCRIPTp.13
19:11:08.9FOINT-2alright get the before landing we're gonna hopefully be wheels down in the next like seven or eight minutes.p.13
19:11:14.9FOINT-2and we are locked parking brake released crew passenger mission equipment secure.p.13
19:11:18.3OBINT-3left rear secure.p.13
19:11:19.3FOINT-2* *.p.13
19:11:20.6FOINT-2alright there's another reservoir passing over now this is also on the map this is great actually we're in a good spot if we're crossing this one.p.13
19:11:39.1CAINT-1@[Crew Chief] do you need heat back there bud?p.13
19:11:41.9OBINT-3what's that?p.13
19:11:42.7CAINT-1do you need heat back there?p.13
19:11:44.7OBINT-3uh heat? COCKPIT VOICE RECORDER (HELICOPTER) DCA25MA108p.13
19:11:44.7GROGROUPCHAIRMAN'S FACTUAL REPORT PG 12 OF 116 Time and Intra-Aircraft Communication Time and Over-the-Air Communication Source Sourcep.13
19:11:46.0CAINT-1yeah.p.14
19:11:46.5FOINT-2turn the heat on.p.14
19:11:47.8OBINT-3sure. I'll take a little bit. you guys can set it to like low.p.14
19:12:07.9OBINT-3thank you.p.14
19:12:10.7CAINT-1you're—.p.14
19:12:28.1FOINT-2ok we should see some wires kinda coming up on the north side.p.14
19:12:38.6FOINT-2let me know if we cross that road to the west we've gone too far.p.14
19:12:42.4CAINT-1rog-o.p.14
19:13:22.4FOINT-2we've lost a little bit of ground speed you can pick up the pace a little bit.p.14
19:13:25.3CAINT-1say again?p.14
19:13:26.2FOINT-2we've lost a bit of ground speed you can bring up the pace a hair. COCKPIT VOICE RECORDER (HELICOPTER) DCA25MA108p.14
19:13:26.2GROGROUPCHAIRMAN'S FACTUAL REPORT PG 13 OF 116 Time and Intra-Aircraft Communication Time and Over-the-Air Communication Source Sourcep.14
19:13:29.1CAINT-1alright. speedin’ up.p.15
19:13:30.7FOINT-2back to ninety five or so.p.15
19:13:31.0CAINT-1eight hundred feet and a hundred knots indicated.p.15
19:13:34.7FOINT-2thank you.p.15
19:13:43.1FOINT-2* water tower looks familiar.p.15
19:14:03.1FOINT-2the river's snaking up to the right and the road's snaking up to the left.p.15
19:14:06.6CAINT-1rog-o.p.15
19:14:08.6FOINT-2that's good. come right a little bit. another...p.15
19:14:12.2CAINT-1right.p.15
19:14:14.2FOINT-2...three two five or so.p.15
19:14:17.3CAINT-1right to three two five.p.15
19:14:38.6FOINT-2pick up the speed a little bit back to a hundred ground. COCKPIT VOICE RECORDER (HELICOPTER) DCA25MA108p.15
19:14:38.6GROGROUPCHAIRMAN'S FACTUAL REPORT PG 14 OF 116 Time and Intra-Aircraft Communication Time and Over-the-Air Communication Source Sourcep.15
19:14:42.1CAINT-1speedin' up.p.16
19:14:59.9CAINT-1comin' left on course.p.16
19:15:01.7OBINT-3clear left.p.16
19:15:27.1FOINT-2should be about there.p.16
19:15:30.5FOINT-2back to the right.p.16
19:15:32.9CAINT-1comin' right.p.16
19:15:36.5FOINT-2and we're gonna change like a three two zero. or three three zero.p.16
19:15:40.9OBINT-3clear left.p.16
19:15:44.3CAINT-1alright. three three zero.p.16
19:15:45.9FOINT-2yup.p.16
19:15:48.3FOINT-2and pick up the speed a little bit more.p.16
19:15:51.7CAINT-1* I got it. COCKPIT VOICE RECORDER (HELICOPTER) DCA25MA108p.16
19:15:51.7GROGROUPCHAIRMAN'S FACTUAL REPORT PG 15 OF 116 Time and Intra-Aircraft Communication Time and Over-the-Air Communication Source Sourcep.16
19:15:55.1CAINT-1keep turnin' me in to it.p.17
19:15:57.6FOINT-2turning you in to the light or something? *p.17
19:15:59.8CAINT-1no to the wind.p.17
19:16:01.3FOINT-2yeah.p.17
19:16:02.1CAINT-1I’ll speed up and then I turn a little bit and I lose it all.p.17
19:16:12.6CAINT-1are we R-P inbound at this point?p.17
19:16:14.6FOINT-2we should be.p.17
19:16:23.1FOINT-2final heading is gonna be three one zero so you can turn to that.p.17
19:16:28.7CAINT-1okay comin' left.p.17
19:16:45.1FOINT-2we know it's pretty close to the road.p.17
19:16:48.1CAINT-1roger searchin' for the road. got the road on the left movin' left to right. COCKPIT VOICE RECORDER (HELICOPTER) DCA25MA108p.17
19:16:48.1GROGROUPCHAIRMAN'S FACTUAL REPORT PG 16 OF 116 Time and Intra-Aircraft Communication Time and Over-the-Air Communication Source Sourcep.17
19:17:03.5FOINT-2little more speed.p.18
19:17:06.1CAINT-1speedin' up.p.18
19:17:08.4FOINT-2five k. some of these little ponds are familiar.p.18
19:17:48.8FOINT-2crossing another road.p.18
19:17:51.5CAINT-1roger.p.18
19:17:55.7FOINT-2that large lit building may be part of it.p.18
19:17:59.1CAINT-1it do look like a greenhouse.p.18
19:18:00.5FOINT-2yeah it does doesn't it.p.18
19:18:02.6FOINT-2we can start slowin' back.p.18
19:18:04.4CAINT-1alright slowin' back.p.18
19:18:06.9FOINT-2about...p.18
19:18:10.4FOINT-2(there you) go. COCKPIT VOICE RECORDER (HELICOPTER) DCA25MA108p.18
19:18:10.4GROGROUPCHAIRMAN'S FACTUAL REPORT PG 17 OF 116 Time and Intra-Aircraft Communication Time and Over-the-Air Communication Source Sourcep.18
19:18:12.1FOINT-2the final ultimate landing heading should be about a three three zero.p.19
19:18:19.5CAINT-1I can definitely say I have the greenhouse in sight.p.19
19:18:21.2FOINT-2yeah ok.p.19
19:18:22.1CAINT-1it is blinding the # out of me.p.19
19:18:23.6FOINT-2[sound of quick laugh] go ahead I think we have this long pathway here to the right if we need to go around and set back down we can.p.19
19:18:32.1CAINT-1yeah I don't- I'm not seein' anything that looks like a landing area. where you at ma'am? where are you looking at?p.19
19:18:37.0FOINT-2just uh- yeah just right of the greenhouse let's see.p.19
19:18:43.4FOINT-2down a bit- I think you just passed it. let's see.p.19
19:18:49.0FOINT-2so bright.p.19
19:18:51.1CAINT-1yeah that's uh pretty damn bright. COCKPIT VOICE RECORDER (HELICOPTER) DCA25MA108p.19
19:18:51.1GROGROUPCHAIRMAN'S FACTUAL REPORT PG 18 OF 116 Time and Intra-Aircraft Communication Time and Over-the-Air Communication Source Sourcep.19
19:18:52.9FOINT-2I thought that might have been the building that was in the pictures but I don't think it was.p.20
19:18:58.2FOINT-2expecting it to be lit at night. that's intense.p.20
19:19:01.1CAINT-1that is ridiculous.p.20
19:19:05.6FOINT-2keep slowin' back I think we're right about at the landing area.p.20
19:19:10.1CAINT-1sorry I'm just trying to get over that thing. yeah I think I've got the strip out the left door. and clear left.p.20
19:19:16.9FOINT-2okay. clear left.p.20
19:19:18.3CAINT-1comin' left.p.20
19:19:34.0CAINT-1alright. gonna roll out here for a moment. wind's still at our right front. number one needle's pointing back to it.p.20
19:19:44.3FOINT-2'kay.p.20
19:19:47.9CAINT-1maintaining six hundred feet @[Crew Chief] for your situational awareness two hundred fifty feet over the ground. COCKPIT VOICE RECORDER (HELICOPTER) DCA25MA108p.20
19:19:47.9GROGROUPCHAIRMAN'S FACTUAL REPORT PG 19 OF 116 Time and Intra-Aircraft Communication Time and Over-the-Air Communication Source Sourcep.20
19:19:53.1OBINT-3roger.p.21
19:19:54.1CAINT-1and clear on left.p.21
19:19:55.1OBINT-3clear left.p.21
19:20:12.8CAINT-1got that tower there. no factor for us.p.21
19:20:34.6CAINT-1alright startin' my approach so where should I be ma'am?p.21
19:20:39.7FOINT-2off to the right. the greenhouse (out/at) your left door.p.21
19:20:43.3RDORDO-?[sound similar to seven radio clicks, consistent with operating field pilot controlled lighting (PCL)]p.21
19:20:45.6CAINT-1the greenhouse should be out my left door?p.21
19:20:48.9FOINT-2I think it’s off to...that's the strip too so come right a little further.p.21
19:20:54.0CAINT-1comin' right.p.21
19:20:54.3FOINT-2oh sorry left. I'm so sorry. I'm-I totally * there's the tower that's the runway that's the strip. COCKPIT VOICE RECORDER (HELICOPTER) DCA25MA108p.21
19:20:54.3GROGROUPCHAIRMAN'S FACTUAL REPORT PG 20 OF 116 Time and Intra-Aircraft Communication Time and Over-the-Air Communication Source Sourcep.21
19:20:59.6CAINT-1where's the strip? I need you to point it out to me.p.22
19:21:00.9FOINT-2it's right here. okay.p.22
19:21:01.8CAINT-1you take flight controls.p.22
19:21:03.0CAINT-1you've got the flight controls.p.22
19:21:03.0FOINT-2I've got the flight controls.p.22
19:21:04.5FOINT-2alright there we go.p.22
19:21:08.4CAINT-1alright I have the landing strip in sight.p.22
19:21:10.2FOINT-2yeah me too.p.22
19:21:12.0FOINT-2got that little tower no factor.p.22
19:21:19.8CAINT-1alright we are in to the wind very well so I like that.p.22
19:21:22.4FOINT-2yeah okay great.p.22
19:21:24.4FOINT-2* * feet. COCKPIT VOICE RECORDER (HELICOPTER) DCA25MA108p.22
19:21:24.4GROGROUPCHAIRMAN'S FACTUAL REPORT PG 21 OF 116 Time and Intra-Aircraft Communication Time and Over-the-Air Communication Source Sourcep.22
19:21:24.5CAINT-1we are locked released crew passengers mission equipment.p.23
19:21:28.0OBINT-3left rear secure.p.23
19:21:28.9FOINT-2* building.p.23
19:21:33.3FOINT-2descent.p.23
19:21:38.6OBINT-3clear of obstacles clear on the left.p.23
19:21:41.1FOINT-2thank you coming forward.p.23
19:21:42.6CAINT-1clear down right.p.23
19:21:43.9FOINT-2nice and wide.p.23
19:21:49.0CAINT-1fifty feet.p.23
19:21:50.9FOINT-2*.p.23
19:21:54.5FOINT-2thirty feet.p.23
19:21:57.6CAINT-1looks nice and dry. COCKPIT VOICE RECORDER (HELICOPTER) DCA25MA108p.23
19:21:57.6GROGROUPCHAIRMAN'S FACTUAL REPORT PG 22 OF 116 Time and Intra-Aircraft Communication Time and Over-the-Air Communication Source Sourcep.23
19:21:59.2FOINT-2yup. looks pretty flat. minor grass. not worried about it.p.24
19:22:17.5FOINT-2no slope to speak of. pressure's out. and handle. * * *p.24
19:22:22.0CAINT-1alright cool.p.24
19:22:24.4CAINT-1handle's up. parking brake set.p.24
19:22:25.3FOINT-2cool.p.24
19:22:25.7CAINT-1uh @[Crew Chief] if you want to try and fix our door.p.24
19:22:28.0OBINT-3yup I'll hop out and fix that.p.24
19:22:28.8FOINT-2yeah thank you.p.24
19:22:30.8CAINT-1alright um...timing's a little off its pretty windy.p.24
19:22:34.6FOINT-2yeah.p.24
19:22:35.2CAINT-1uh and I think we were here at about the right time.p.24
19:22:39.1FOINT-2pretty close. COCKPIT VOICE RECORDER (HELICOPTER) DCA25MA108p.24
19:22:39.1GROGROUPCHAIRMAN'S FACTUAL REPORT PG 23 OF 116 Time and Intra-Aircraft Communication Time and Over-the-Air Communication Source Sourcep.24
19:22:41.6CAINT-1uh yeah so.p.25
19:22:43.6CAINT-1alright I'll take back flight controls.p.25
19:22:45.2FOINT-2alright you can have flight controls.p.25
19:22:46.5CAINT-1I have the controls.p.25
19:22:49.2CAINT-1yeah we were pretty close on it. and then just had to uh come around. that greenhouse is really...p.25
19:22:54.7FOINT-2it’s really bright.p.25
19:22:55.8OBINT-3alright. it’s locked.p.25
19:22:56.5FOINT-2thanks @[Crew Chief].p.25
19:22:57.2OBINT-3yup.p.25
19:22:57.9FOINT-2have you been down here at night and seen that?p.25
19:22:59.0CAINT-1no.p.25
19:23:00.0FOINT-2that's crazy. COCKPIT VOICE RECORDER (HELICOPTER) DCA25MA108p.25
19:23:00.0GROGROUPCHAIRMAN'S FACTUAL REPORT PG 24 OF 116 Time and Intra-Aircraft Communication Time and Over-the-Air Communication Source Sourcep.25
19:23:00.9CAINT-1yeah that thing's uh pretty...pretty detrimental.p.26
19:23:04.8FOINT-2yeah I would've uh had us avoid that a little bit. sorry about that.p.26
19:23:10.8CAINT-1all good.p.26
19:23:18.5FOINT-2okay I can close out my fuel check.p.26
19:23:21.2CAINT-1roger.p.26
19:23:22.0FOINT-2*p.26
19:24:18.4FOINT-2* eleven fifty.p.26
19:24:22.2CAINT-1alright eleven fifty burn rate.p.26
19:24:23.3FOINT-2yup and I'm going to go ahead and do the auto mode for our transfer. verify that it’s working. yup.p.26
19:24:33.8FOINT-2*.p.26
19:24:38.1CAINT-1I do see fuel transfer. COCKPIT VOICE RECORDER (HELICOPTER) DCA25MA108p.26
19:24:38.1GROGROUPCHAIRMAN'S FACTUAL REPORT PG 25 OF 116 Time and Intra-Aircraft Communication Time and Over-the-Air Communication Source Sourcep.26
19:24:40.5FOINT-2I agree with you. and we'll keep that monitored for any imbalance *.p.27
19:24:54.2OBINT-3left rear is back inside and re-secured.p.27
19:24:56.6CAINT-1rog-o.p.27
19:24:58.0FOINT-2sweet thanks.p.27
19:25:02.4FOINT-2okay. and coming out of here...we'll be...avoiding...two J um...p.27
19:25:16.4FOINT-2that's Culpeper I think K-J-Rp.27
19:25:18.3CAINT-1K-C-J-R yupp.27
19:25:19.2FOINT-2or K-C-J-R yup.p.27
19:25:20.7CAINT-1cool pepper.p.27
19:25:22.9FOINT-2coolest pepper.p.27
19:25:28.2CAINT-1yeah I'm going to use that strip more. make people fly into that # greenhouse. COCKPIT VOICE RECORDER (HELICOPTER) DCA25MA108p.27
19:25:28.2GROGROUPCHAIRMAN'S FACTUAL REPORT PG 26 OF 116 Time and Intra-Aircraft Communication Time and Over-the-Air Communication Source Sourcep.27
19:25:32.2FOINT-2yeah yeah.p.28
19:25:39.0CAINT-1I actually don't know if that strip is still in the F-A-A.p.28
19:25:43.4FOINT-2that's a fair point.p.28
19:25:44.4CAINT-1I was trying to look it up last night and it wouldn't show up. looks like they didn't renew some paperwork or something.p.28
19:25:49.3FOINT-2okay.p.28
19:25:51.0FOINT-2I found them on uh flight aware or something like googling but yeah didn't check the uh...didn't check it. okay alright so taking out of here with this heading which * to be a little off it looks like it’s more like a three three five no three four three.p.28
19:26:09.7CAINT-1cool.p.28
19:26:10.5FOINT-2* we can use this to finish taking off the runway get over the trees and then we'll turn to- expect a- two two zero. back myself up with my T-D-H.p.28
19:26:30.2FOINT-2so yeah to the- yeah probably to the two zero two zero. COCKPIT VOICE RECORDER (HELICOPTER) DCA25MA108p.28
19:26:30.2GROGROUPCHAIRMAN'S FACTUAL REPORT PG 27 OF 116 Time and Intra-Aircraft Communication Time and Over-the-Air Communication Source Sourcep.28
19:26:37.0CAINT-1so right turn over to a zero two zero?p.29
19:26:39.5FOINT-2coo-rect. yup.p.29
19:26:41.8FOINT-2play with the lighting a little bit.p.29
19:26:43.5CAINT-1yeah.p.29
19:26:46.0FOINT-2that should get us up to Warrenton. and in the mean time I'm gonna switch over to * Quantico * stay with them but I'll switch over to Potomac here pretty soon.p.29
19:26:57.8CAINT-1rog-o.p.29
19:27:39.3CAINT-1@[Crew Chief] do you have a preferred method for this transfer?p.29
19:27:43.2OBINT-3what do you mean?p.29
19:27:44.2CAINT-1uh well a lot of guys especially down in Hondo and prolly just cause we were so far from anything um they would want to transfer up to like twenty three and then turn it off and do another fuel check. I'm fine just leaving it on auto. it’s whatever your comfort level is.p.29
19:27:57.9OBINT-3yeah I'm fine leaving it on auto. COCKPIT VOICE RECORDER (HELICOPTER) DCA25MA108p.29
19:27:57.9GROGROUPCHAIRMAN'S FACTUAL REPORT PG 28 OF 116 Time and Intra-Aircraft Communication Time and Over-the-Air Communication Source Sourcep.29
19:27:59.4CAINT-1okay perfect. yeah I'm good with that. it’s just yeah I know some guys like to fill it turn it off redo a fuel check continue to do that which is... not a bad thing either.p.30
19:28:02.4FOINT-2kinda makes sense.p.30
19:28:18.0OBINT-3nah I usually just * with my first burn rate work with that until I exhaust the externals and then compute with and then start a fuel check with remaining internal fuel.p.30
19:28:28.3CAINT-1yeah that kind of was always my take on it is it’s gonna keep us keep us up there and then when it’s burned out do another fuel check for the final twenty two hundred or whatever.p.30
19:28:35.5OBINT-3yup.p.30
19:28:42.3FOINT-2okie dokie.p.30
19:28:46.4FOINT-2Potomac in three.p.30
19:28:49.5CAINT-1roger.p.30
19:28:52.5FOINT-2Culpeper in two. COCKPIT VOICE RECORDER (HELICOPTER) DCA25MA108p.30
19:28:52.5GROGROUPCHAIRMAN'S FACTUAL REPORT PG 29 OF 116 Time and Intra-Aircraft Communication Time and Over-the-Air Communication Source Sourcep.30
19:29:05.1CAINT-1whenever you're ready ma'am.p.31
19:29:06.4FOINT-2okay let's do it.p.31
19:29:10.3FOINT-2all right.p.31
19:29:11.9CAINT-1parking brake is released.p.31
19:29:13.3FOINT-2released.p.31
19:29:17.9FOINT-2okay before takeoff power control levers are in fly we're gonna leave ourselves in auto we've got twenty two in the mains. transponder's still transponding we've got... approach and uh... Culpeper.p.31
19:29:35.9FOINT-2crew pax mission equipment secure?p.31
19:29:38.3OBINT-3left rear secure.p.31
19:29:39.0CAINT-1right front.p.31
19:29:39.9FOINT-2okay left front too.p.31
19:29:41.0CAINT-1coming up. COCKPIT VOICE RECORDER (HELICOPTER) DCA25MA108p.31
19:29:41.0GROGROUPCHAIRMAN'S FACTUAL REPORT PG 30 OF 116 Time and Intra-Aircraft Communication Time and Over-the-Air Communication Source Sourcep.31
19:29:41.4FOINT-2alright. clear to come up.p.32
19:29:42.2OBINT-3clear left.p.32
19:29:52.0CAINT-1ten feet and on the go.p.32
19:29:54.0FOINT-2you're good to go.p.32
19:29:55.7FOINT-2and since we're outside the SFRA if you want to you can uh like turn off that landing light but I don't know if you prefer it.p.32
19:30:00.8CAINT-1nah I wouldn't say I prefer it but I'll just leave it on at this point. we're going to be going back in and I know I will end up forgetting it.p.32
19:30:07.8FOINT-2totally fair.p.32
19:30:19.1CAINT-1and clear around right you said to a zero two zero?p.32
19:30:21.9FOINT-2yup zero two zero. Warrenton.p.32
19:30:26.4FOINT-2that should keep us out of Culpeper's airspace.p.32
19:30:41.0CAINT-1alright. zero two zero. COCKPIT VOICE RECORDER (HELICOPTER) DCA25MA108p.32
19:30:41.0GROGROUPCHAIRMAN'S FACTUAL REPORT PG 31 OF 116 Time and Intra-Aircraft Communication Time and Over-the-Air Communication Source Sourcep.32
19:30:43.0FOINT-2yup.p.33
19:30:44.3CAINT-1is Culpeper gonna be to our gonna stay to our northwest?p.33
19:30:48.3FOINT-2uh yes correct.p.33
19:30:50.6CAINT-1roger.p.33
19:30:53.6FOINT-2so we're gonna- I tried to keep us away from like centerline.p.33
19:31:05.5CAINT-1we're coming up to what altitude?p.33
19:31:09.0FOINT-2thank you for the reminder we are good to climb to...p.33
19:31:17.8FOINT-2...two thousand feet.p.33
19:31:19.4CAINT-1come up two thousand.p.33
19:31:23.6FOINT-2I’m gonna want you to climb to twenty five hundred. elevation does increase a little bit up there.p.33
19:31:29.4CAINT-1roger. COCKPIT VOICE RECORDER (HELICOPTER) DCA25MA108p.33
19:31:29.4GROGROUPCHAIRMAN'S FACTUAL REPORT PG 32 OF 116 Time and Intra-Aircraft Communication Time and Over-the-Air Communication Source Sourcep.33
19:31:41.0FOINT-2okay we're gonna cross over the intersection that's our R-P.p.34
19:31:45.1FOINT-2*p.34
19:31:46.3FOINT-2and then we can keep going *p.34
19:31:49.4CAINT-1left on course.p.34
19:31:59.6FOINT-2just a hair fast but lookin' good.p.34
19:32:02.0CAINT-1roger.p.34
19:32:04.2CAINT-1I did not start my clock looks like you did. * * your side. master caution.p.34
19:32:06.9FOINT-2I did.p.34
19:32:09.9FOINT-2for the aux fuel.p.34
19:32:11.1CAINT-1aux fuel roger. we'll just keep a monitor on it make sure we're not out of balance.p.34
19:32:16.2CAINT-1fifteen hundred for two thousand. COCKPIT VOICE RECORDER (HELICOPTER) DCA25MA108p.34
19:32:16.2GROGROUPCHAIRMAN'S FACTUAL REPORT PG 33 OF 116 Time and Intra-Aircraft Communication Time and Over-the-Air Communication Source Sourcep.34
19:32:19.7FOINT-2perfect.p.35
19:32:42.9CAINT-1what's the shelf out here or are we outside the shelf?p.35
19:32:46.0FOINT-2we're outside the shelf. I believe its forty five hundred bottom but I'll double check.p.35
19:32:50.9CAINT-1master caution. aux fuel.p.35
19:32:51.8FOINT-2for the aux fuel thank you.p.35
19:32:57.4FOINT-2and now that we're high enough I'll try to get flight following again with uh Potomac.p.35
19:33:01.3CAINT-1roger.p.35
19:33:04.4FOINT-2we're outside the bravo shelf but the bottom is forty five so we're good.p.35
19:33:34.0FOINT-2there's Culpeper off the left.p.35
19:33:43.2FOINT-2* *.p.35
19:33:54.2FOINT-2the controller sounds a little busy but I'll try him first. COCKPIT VOICE RECORDER (HELICOPTER) DCA25MA108p.35
19:33:54.2GROGROUPCHAIRMAN'S FACTUAL REPORT PG 34 OF 116 Time and Intra-Aircraft Communication Time and Over-the-Air Communication Source Sourcep.35
19:34:18.9FORDO-2Potomac Approach PAT two five is a U-H-sixty off of Culpeper requesting V-F-R flight following to Montgomery County.p.36
19:34:43.3FOINT-2let me try a different frequency I think.p.36
19:34:46.9FOINT-2twenty seven point three two five yeah.p.36
19:35:21.1CAINT-1um what airport is that out the right?p.36
19:35:24.6FOINT-2right?p.36
19:35:28.5FOINT-2I genuinely can't remember right now oh that's um Warrenton yup.p.36
19:35:31.2CAINT-1that's Warrenton roger.p.36
19:35:35.3FOINT-2KHWY. [spoken as 'kay highway]p.36
19:35:39.8FOINT-2we'll be outside of their five mile bubble they should be class G right now.p.36
19:35:46.5FORDO-2Potomac Approach PAT two five a U-H-sixty off of Culpeper requesting V-F-R flight following to Montgomery County. COCKPIT VOICE RECORDER (HELICOPTER) DCA25MA108p.36
19:35:46.5GROGROUPCHAIRMAN'S FACTUAL REPORT PG 35 OF 116 Time and Intra-Aircraft Communication Time and Over-the-Air Communication Source Sourcep.36
19:36:14.4FOINT-2looking good the intersection that we wanted to cross is right- is coming up.p.37
19:36:21.0CAINT-1roger.p.37
19:36:21.9FOINT-2kind of that bright spot below us like at eleven thirty.p.37
19:36:26.4CAINT-1roger.p.37
19:36:27.7FOINT-2check our timing.p.37
19:36:33.5FOINT-2we wanted to cross it at seven twenty three so we're pretty good.p.37
19:36:46.2FORDO-2PAT two five IDENT flight following to Montgomery County K- G-A-I. COCKPIT VOICE RECORDER (HELICOPTER) DCA25MA108p.37
19:36:46.2GROGROUPCHAIRMAN'S FACTUAL REPORT PG 36 OF 116 Time and Intra-Aircraft Communication Time and Over-the-Air Communication Source Sourcep.37
19:37:16.0FOINT-2couldn't hear what he said two nine something seven.p.38
19:37:18.2CAINT-1two niner eight seven.p.38
19:37:20.0FORDO-2two niner eight seven PAT two five will remain clear of bravo.p.38
19:37:27.1FOINT-2cool. the lowest shelf we're gonna kind of encounter is two thousand five hundred but we'll be at two thousand at that juncture.p.38
19:37:35.1CAINT-1roger.p.38
19:37:38.0FOINT-2slight change to the heading it’s like a zero two two now.p.38
19:37:43.1CAINT-1roger coming right.p.38
19:38:22.1CAINT-1what is that frequency in two is that Warrenton or Culpeper?p.38
19:38:25.3FOINT-2that was Culpeper. COCKPIT VOICE RECORDER (HELICOPTER) DCA25MA108p.38
19:38:25.3GROGROUPCHAIRMAN'S FACTUAL REPORT PG 37 OF 116 Time and Intra-Aircraft Communication Time and Over-the-Air Communication Source Sourcep.38
19:38:27.9CAINT-1roger.p.39
19:38:34.0FORDO-2one two five zero five PAT two five.p.39
19:38:53.4FORDO-2Potomac Approach PAT two five with you at two thousand.p.39
19:39:00.7FORDO-2two nine eight seven PAT two five.p.39
19:39:08.6FOINT-2a little turbulent.p.39
19:39:10.1CAINT-1little bump.p.39
19:39:17.7CAINT-1twenty two ten on fuel it’s still transferring its good.p.39
19:39:21.8FOINT-2sweet. you want me to turn it off?p.39
19:39:23.4CAINT-1nope you're good I was just acknowledging. COCKPIT VOICE RECORDER (HELICOPTER) DCA25MA108p.39
19:39:23.4GROGROUPCHAIRMAN'S FACTUAL REPORT PG 38 OF 116 Time and Intra-Aircraft Communication Time and Over-the-Air Communication Source Sourcep.39
19:39:42.7FOINT-2we're coming up on another intersection and turning to...p.40
19:39:49.5FOINT-2...a new heading.p.40
19:40:00.8FOINT-2* you can turn to a three five two heading.p.40
19:40:04.6CAINT-1rog-o I'll do that.p.40
19:40:06.5OBINT-3clear left.p.40
19:40:56.5FOINT-2all good with the descent and slow down?p.40
19:40:58.7CAINT-1say again?p.40
19:40:59.4FOINT-2are we just descending and slowing a little bit all good?p.40
19:41:01.5CAINT-1*.p.40
19:41:05.0FOINT-2I'm going to- uh you've got the flight controls?p.40
19:41:07.8CAINT-1yeah. COCKPIT VOICE RECORDER (HELICOPTER) DCA25MA108p.40
19:41:07.8GROGROUPCHAIRMAN'S FACTUAL REPORT PG 39 OF 116 Time and Intra-Aircraft Communication Time and Over-the-Air Communication Source Sourcep.40
19:41:08.5FOINT-2okay.p.41
19:41:09.2CAINT-1what's up?p.41
19:41:10.3FOINT-2I got the flight controls.p.41
19:41:11.6CAINT-1yup you got flight controls.p.41
19:41:12.4FOINT-2I got flight controls.p.41
19:41:13.4CAINT-1you do have flight controls.p.41
19:41:17.2CAINT-1sorry about that.p.41
19:41:18.5FOINT-2what's that?p.41
19:41:19.3CAINT-1sorry about that.p.41
19:41:19.7FOINT-2oh yeah it happens. [sound of laugh]p.41
19:41:22.9FOINT-2climbing back up to two thousand.p.41
19:41:24.8CAINT-1I've got you at twenty six hundred. COCKPIT VOICE RECORDER (HELICOPTER) DCA25MA108p.41
19:41:24.8GROGROUPCHAIRMAN'S FACTUAL REPORT PG 40 OF 116 Time and Intra-Aircraft Communication Time and Over-the-Air Communication Source Sourcep.41
19:41:27.7FOINT-2thank you.p.42
19:41:30.3FOINT-2twenty six hundred I'm sorry I don't follow you.p.42
19:41:31.6CAINT-1er sorry sixteen hundred.p.42
19:41:32.5FOINT-2okay yeah.p.42
19:42:14.0CAINT-1is this the city of Warrenton?p.42
19:42:15.6FOINT-2yes it is.p.42
19:42:17.8FOINT-2sweet.p.42
19:42:21.2FOINT-2strong headwind right now.p.42
19:42:23.4CAINT-1what's up?p.42
19:42:23.9FOINT-2uh pretty strong headwind um like one ten indicated.p.42
19:42:27.4CAINT-1oh yeah its kickin'.p.42
19:42:28.1FOINT-2ninety three. COCKPIT VOICE RECORDER (HELICOPTER) DCA25MA108p.42
19:42:28.1GROGROUPCHAIRMAN'S FACTUAL REPORT PG 41 OF 116 Time and Intra-Aircraft Communication Time and Over-the-Air Communication Source Sourcep.42
19:42:29.3FOINT-2'kay.p.43
19:42:35.9FOINT-2you got that.p.43
19:42:36.8CAINT-1you're talking on three?p.43
19:42:37.7FOINT-2uh yeah three.p.43
19:42:38.5CARDO-1PAT two five we'll uh stay to the west of Leesburg and we'll take the long way around.p.43
19:42:43.8CARDO-1thank you for offering.p.43
19:42:45.0FOINT-2oh that's choppy.p.43
19:42:58.0CAINT-1alright. I'll take flight controls back.p.43
19:42:59.3FOINT-2okay. you have flight controls. COCKPIT VOICE RECORDER (HELICOPTER) DCA25MA108p.43
19:42:59.3GROGROUPCHAIRMAN'S FACTUAL REPORT PG 42 OF 116 Time and Intra-Aircraft Communication Time and Over-the-Air Communication Source Sourcep.43
19:43:00.5CAINT-1I have flight controls.p.44
19:43:00.8FOINT-2you got 'em.p.44
19:43:01.9CAINT-1two thousand and one ten. seventy nine over the ground.p.44
19:43:05.5FOINT-2perfect thank you.p.44
19:43:08.2CAINT-1where do you want me going?p.44
19:43:09.9FOINT-2* double checking *.p.44
19:43:13.1FOINT-2* we're going to be turning to the north.p.44
19:43:16.0CAINT-1clear right? clear right coming right.p.44
19:43:18.5FOINT-2* * *.p.44
19:43:25.8FOINT-2three one heading. zero three one.p.44
19:43:28.2CAINT-1zero three one roger.p.44
19:43:48.3CAINT-1slowed down a little bit correcting. COCKPIT VOICE RECORDER (HELICOPTER) DCA25MA108p.44
19:43:48.3GROGROUPCHAIRMAN'S FACTUAL REPORT PG 43 OF 116 Time and Intra-Aircraft Communication Time and Over-the-Air Communication Source Sourcep.44
19:43:51.4FOINT-2goodp.45
19:43:54.4FOINT-2got the wind coming from the left now.p.45
19:43:56.9CAINT-1yup.p.45
19:44:30.2CAINT-1so if you were with a P-I what would you kind of recommend to them to counteract the turbulence?p.45
19:44:35.6FOINT-2fly a little faster so that one fifteen.p.45
19:44:38.4CAINT-1um yeah what else can they do?p.45
19:44:43.2FOINT-2well we know it’s supposed to be like lower to the ground. we could fly a little higher but still avoid the bravo.p.45
19:44:52.0CAINT-1anything just like where we're at now without speedin' up? anything they should be thinking about?p.45
19:44:58.9FOINT-2not overcontrolling the aircraft.p.45
19:45:00.8CAINT-1yeah. so that comes into power settings right?p.45
19:45:03.5FOINT-2sure. * * COCKPIT VOICE RECORDER (HELICOPTER) DCA25MA108p.45
19:45:03.5GROGROUPCHAIRMAN'S FACTUAL REPORT PG 44 OF 116 Time and Intra-Aircraft Communication Time and Over-the-Air Communication Source Sourcep.45
19:45:05.4CAINT-1so just you know hey. what's giving us what we want. fly that power setting and don't so much worry about the V-S-I and everything else.p.46
19:45:13.2FOINT-2yeah.p.46
19:45:15.1CAINT-1coming right to three...p.46
19:45:16.9FOINT-2if you want it we can set it.p.46
19:45:19.9FOINT-2uh. set a. uh.p.46
19:45:28.3FOINT-2friction point essentially.p.46
19:45:30.8CAINT-1yup.p.46
19:45:56.3CAINT-1how much further on this leg?p.46
19:46:00.0FOINT-2double check.p.46
19:46:10.1FPSFPS[sound of rapid beeping similar to stabilator auto mode fail master caution]p.46
19:46:11.8CAINT-1master caution. COCKPIT VOICE RECORDER (HELICOPTER) DCA25MA108p.46
19:46:11.8GROGROUPCHAIRMAN'S FACTUAL REPORT PG 45 OF 116 Time and Intra-Aircraft Communication Time and Over-the-Air Communication Source Sourcep.46
19:46:14.1FOINT-2stabilator.p.47
19:46:14.2CAINT-1you reset that.p.47
19:46:15.4CAINT-1aircraft is stable.p.47
19:46:15.9FOINT-2okay. alright.p.47
19:46:17.0CAINT-1rotor is *.p.47
19:46:18.9CAINT-1airspeed looks good.p.47
19:46:20.0FOINT-2see any dip in the nose? alright I’m going to auto control reset one time.p.47
19:46:24.9CAINT-1roger.p.47
19:46:27.3FOINT-2and then I need you back to the left please.p.47
19:46:31.2CAINT-1coming to the left.p.47
19:46:32.1OBINT-3clear left.p.47
19:46:32.6FOINT-2* * COCKPIT VOICE RECORDER (HELICOPTER) DCA25MA108p.47
19:46:32.6GROGROUPCHAIRMAN'S FACTUAL REPORT PG 46 OF 116 Time and Intra-Aircraft Communication Time and Over-the-Air Communication Source Sourcep.47
19:46:37.2FOINT-2three five two heading.p.48
19:46:39.9CAINT-1yup. I'm a little high as well. correcting.p.48
19:46:42.2CAINT-1you said three five two?p.48
19:46:44.0FOINT-2yes please.p.48
19:46:45.1CAINT-1rog-o.p.48
19:46:50.1CAINT-1I thought we went over to the three one heading or whatever.p.48
19:46:54.9FOINT-2no you're good and then yeah correct down to two thousand a little bit.p.48
19:46:59.1CAINT-1coming down.p.48
19:47:08.9CAINT-1continuing left three five two.p.48
19:47:10.2OBINT-3clear left.p.48
19:47:11.7FOINT-2thank you. COCKPIT VOICE RECORDER (HELICOPTER) DCA25MA108p.48
19:47:11.7GROGROUPCHAIRMAN'S FACTUAL REPORT PG 47 OF 116 Time and Intra-Aircraft Communication Time and Over-the-Air Communication Source Sourcep.48
19:47:14.5OBINT-3can I have the heat switched on again for a little bit?p.49
19:47:17.5CAINT-1say again?p.49
19:47:18.3OBINT-3can I get the heat on for a little bit?p.49
19:47:20.0CAINT-1yup.p.49
19:47:21.1CAINT-1did turn that rheostat down so * turn it back up.p.49
19:47:26.9FOINT-2I didn't turn it off.p.49
19:47:28.8CAINT-1no I turned the rheostat down you'll have to turn it back up.p.49
19:47:37.0FOINT-2to the right? I'm not sure *.p.49
19:47:38.6OBINT-3yeah turn it to the right.p.49
19:47:40.6FOINT-2* push it too hard it wouldn't really move much.p.49
19:47:45.3CAINT-1there it goes wide open.p.49
19:47:46.5OBINT-3there it goes. COCKPIT VOICE RECORDER (HELICOPTER) DCA25MA108p.49
19:47:46.5GROGROUPCHAIRMAN'S FACTUAL REPORT PG 48 OF 116 Time and Intra-Aircraft Communication Time and Over-the-Air Communication Source Sourcep.49
19:47:48.1FOINT-2perfect.p.50
19:47:49.2OBINT-3thank you.p.50
19:47:49.9CAINT-1yup.p.50
19:48:05.8FOINT-2and a little bit of wind * you'll come a little bit further to three like four zero we'll try that.p.50
19:48:10.1CAINT-1clear left.p.50
19:48:11.3OBINT-3clear left.p.50
19:48:16.9FOINT-2and come down two thousand.p.50
19:48:18.7CAINT-1down to two thousand.p.50
19:48:23.3CAINT-1three four zero rollin' out.p.50
19:48:26.9FOINT-2good.p.50
19:48:29.2FOINT-2um okay. the uh we're able to auto control reset with the stabilator but I'm gonna look at the E-P. COCKPIT VOICE RECORDER (HELICOPTER) DCA25MA108p.50
19:48:29.2GROGROUPCHAIRMAN'S FACTUAL REPORT PG 49 OF 116 Time and Intra-Aircraft Communication Time and Over-the-Air Communication Source Sourcep.50
19:48:36.6FOINT-2see if we got anything. um. but. * it went back into the mode so that's good. if it didn't we... um we'd above forty knots we'd just slew the stabilator to zero and try to fly without.p.51
19:48:49.9CAINT-1roger. that was at zero. I did not slew it. coming right on course.p.51
19:48:56.9FOINT-2alright. outside.p.51
19:48:58.9CAINT-1roger outside.p.51
19:49:18.3FOINT-2okay we got the beeping warning and the stabilator left auto mode. um * * stabilator slew up switch as necessary. * * * but we didn't notice any nose so we didn't have to arrest that descent. uh we were able to push the auto control once after establishing our comfortable airspeed and thankfully we did regain automatic control so we did not need to position it below the placard airspeed. alright.p.51
19:49:45.6CAINT-1so how's that supposed to look ma'am?p.51
19:49:48.2FOINT-2that- E-P?p.51
19:49:50.7CAINT-1yup. any E-P. COCKPIT VOICE RECORDER (HELICOPTER) DCA25MA108p.51
19:49:50.7GROGROUPCHAIRMAN'S FACTUAL REPORT PG 50 OF 116 Time and Intra-Aircraft Communication Time and Over-the-Air Communication Source Sourcep.51
19:49:53.0FOINT-2uh more of like just running through FADEC F more deliberately.p.52
19:49:56.9CAINT-1yup. so uh...p.52
19:49:58.5FOINT-2it resolved pretty quickly but we should have I should have * more.p.52
19:50:03.1CAINT-1yup. so I mean that's the whole point of the F-R-C cards right...p.52
19:50:05.7FOINT-2uh huh.p.52
19:50:06.2CAINT-1...is to get us away from doing those things automatically.p.52
19:50:09.1FOINT-2sure. COCKPIT VOICE RECORDER (HELICOPTER) DCA25MA108p.52
19:50:09.1GROGROUPCHAIRMAN'S FACTUAL REPORT PG 51 OF 116 Time and Intra-Aircraft Communication Time and Over-the-Air Communication Source Sourcep.52
19:50:09.8CAINT-1um yeah we all just pretty much confirmed that it probably is just going to be an auto control reset. but the whole point of the F-R-Cs is 'cause we end up killing ourselves because we do something without confirming and verifying. and so I mean that's yeah the idea is if its not an immediate step we're getting in the checklist we're working as a crew um to ensure we're doing the right thing. again it is a mentality it is a tough mentality to just slow down. * I know how to fix this but I'm going to read the book anyways. but that- that's you know that's what they want. that's what we're looking for so.p.53
19:50:45.5FOINT-2okay thank you yeah you're absolutely right. i sometimes forget that.p.53
19:51:03.6FOINT-2we should be coming up to a small private pad just off the right door.p.53
19:51:08.6CAINT-1roger.p.53
19:51:11.1FOINT-2and the little town of Middleburg.p.53
19:51:14.8FOINT-2turn to the right a little bit.p.53
19:51:17.3CAINT-1coming right. I do see what looks like a small little town over there to the uh one o'clock maybe. COCKPIT VOICE RECORDER (HELICOPTER) DCA25MA108p.53
19:51:17.3GROGROUPCHAIRMAN'S FACTUAL REPORT PG 52 OF 116 Time and Intra-Aircraft Communication Time and Over-the-Air Communication Source Sourcep.53
19:51:22.5FOINT-2I think so.p.54
19:51:46.4CAINT-1and there's the little track. alright you heading is zero three two.p.54
19:51:51.4CAINT-1right turn zero three two.p.54
19:52:45.3FOINT-2back to the left a little bit.p.54
19:52:52.1FOINT-2back to the left like uh *.p.54
19:52:55.8CAINT-1three six zero?p.54
19:52:57.2FOINT-2yeah.p.54
19:52:57.5CAINT-1okay coming left.p.54
19:53:00.2OBINT-3clear left.p.54
19:53:00.7FOINT-2blown off course.p.54
19:53:07.9CAINT-1three six zero. COCKPIT VOICE RECORDER (HELICOPTER) DCA25MA108p.54
19:53:07.9GROGROUPCHAIRMAN'S FACTUAL REPORT PG 53 OF 116 Time and Intra-Aircraft Communication Time and Over-the-Air Communication Source Sourcep.54
19:53:18.7FOINT-2I think it’s still pushing us a little bit so a little farther so like three five zero.p.55
19:53:23.1CAINT-1three five zero.p.55
19:53:24.6OBINT-3clear left.p.55
19:53:29.0CAINT-1three five zero.p.55
19:53:39.5FOINT-2I don't know about you but I'm feeling a little dizzy like looking down and around with the winds or whatever it is but not too bad.p.55
19:53:44.4CAINT-1roger.p.55
19:54:02.0CAINT-1it is definitely windy.p.55
19:54:04.4FOINT-2yeah.p.55
19:54:12.1CAINT-1but a beautiful night other than that.p.55
19:54:15.4FOINT-2that's true.p.55
19:55:24.6CAINT-1Muscle eight where the hell's he at? [said in response to radio traffic, not transcribed.] COCKPIT VOICE RECORDER (HELICOPTER) DCA25MA108p.55
19:55:24.6GROGROUPCHAIRMAN'S FACTUAL REPORT PG 54 OF 116 Time and Intra-Aircraft Communication Time and Over-the-Air Communication Source Sourcep.55
19:55:31.3FOINT-2looking for that *.p.56
19:55:43.5FOINT-2okay crossing * for * point. we're about forty five seconds slow.p.56
19:55:51.6CAINT-1rog-o.p.56
19:55:53.0FOINT-2we can pick up a little more speed.p.56
19:55:54.4CAINT-1yup.p.56
19:56:09.0FOINT-2alright you can start that turn now. and this is actually to the number one needle.p.56
19:56:14.1CAINT-1alright turning to number one. clear right.p.56
19:56:16.3FOINT-2we can use that to our advantage you can set up the nav mode instead of heading if you like.p.56
19:56:20.2CAINT-1roger got the heading up.p.56
19:56:21.4FOINT-2* line.p.56
19:56:23.8CAINT-1master caution aux fuel. resetting. COCKPIT VOICE RECORDER (HELICOPTER) DCA25MA108p.56
19:56:23.8GROGROUPCHAIRMAN'S FACTUAL REPORT PG 55 OF 116 Time and Intra-Aircraft Communication Time and Over-the-Air Communication Source Sourcep.56
19:56:37.5FOINT-2is that just turbulence or do you need assistance?p.57
19:56:40.1CAINT-1no that's just turb. I'm trying to turn with uh- yeah we're just gettin' pushed pretty far out of trim. trying to keep her in trim and get that turn in she did not like it. she did not like it.p.57
19:56:40.8FOINT-2'kay.p.57
19:56:58.6FOINT-2*.p.57
19:57:01.7CAINT-1you just said turn to the number one?p.57
19:57:03.5FOINT-2yes please.p.57
19:57:05.3CAINT-1tryin' to get that turn in. every time I'm turning right she's...p.57
19:57:08.5FOINT-2It’s gonna blow you there so you can roll out on a heading of like...zero three zero if you want to.p.57
19:57:12.3CAINT-1yup. roger. rolling out.p.57
19:57:39.2FOINT-2master caution aux fuel. COCKPIT VOICE RECORDER (HELICOPTER) DCA25MA108p.57
19:57:39.2GROGROUPCHAIRMAN'S FACTUAL REPORT PG 56 OF 116 Time and Intra-Aircraft Communication Time and Over-the-Air Communication Source Sourcep.57
19:57:48.8CAINT-1alright. coming left on course.p.58
19:57:50.9FOINT-2'kay. we're entering back into the SFRA fairly soon.p.58
19:57:54.4CAINT-1rog-o. coming back to the right.p.58
19:58:03.3CAINT-1little high correcting.p.58
19:58:04.8FOINT-2that's fine. as long as we're below twenty five hundred we're okay.p.58
19:58:36.5CAINT-1coming left.p.58
19:58:37.8FOINT-2clear left.p.58
19:58:39.8OBINT-3clear left.p.58
19:59:54.8CAINT-1and left on course.p.58
19:59:56.7FOINT-2*. COCKPIT VOICE RECORDER (HELICOPTER) DCA25MA108p.58
19:59:56.7GROGROUPCHAIRMAN'S FACTUAL REPORT PG 57 OF 116 Time and Intra-Aircraft Communication Time and Over-the-Air Communication Source Sourcep.58
20:00:05.3CAINT-1that was for you. two miles eastbound.p.59
20:00:11.2FOINT-2do you see him?p.59
20:00:12.1CAINT-1nope.p.59
20:00:20.2FOINT-2do you see him?p.59
20:00:21.7CAINT-1no. nine to ten o'clock. *.p.59
20:00:22.7FORDO-2* * traffic.p.59
20:00:25.5CAINT-1yeah I got it. tally. coming left.p.59
20:00:29.1FOINT-2* *.p.59
20:00:43.2CAINT-1alright you want me to keep chasing this number one needle or-p.59
20:00:45.0FOINT-2yeah. just avoid the traffic at this point. COCKPIT VOICE RECORDER (HELICOPTER) DCA25MA108p.59
20:00:45.0GROGROUPCHAIRMAN'S FACTUAL REPORT PG 58 OF 116 Time and Intra-Aircraft Communication Time and Over-the-Air Communication Source Sourcep.59
20:00:46.6CAINT-1yup. I got the traffic out the right door *.p.60
20:00:48.4FORDO-2PAT two five has the traffic in sight maintaining visual separation. [transmission stepped on by other radio taffic]p.60
20:00:56.2FORDO-2PAT two five has traffic in sight. avoiding.p.60
20:00:59.6FOINT-2I hit IDENT when he asked me.p.60
20:01:01.9CAINT-1say again?p.60
20:01:06.9FOINT-2okay. you can turn back to the right please.p.60
20:01:08.9CAINT-1alright coming right behind the muscle twelve aircraft have him in sight.p.60
20:01:21.2FORDO-2PAT two five.p.60
20:01:23.6FOINT-2alright back to the right.p.60
20:01:25.8CAINT-1coming right. COCKPIT VOICE RECORDER (HELICOPTER) DCA25MA108p.60
20:01:25.8GROGROUPCHAIRMAN'S FACTUAL REPORT PG 59 OF 116 Time and Intra-Aircraft Communication Time and Over-the-Air Communication Source Sourcep.60
20:01:33.0CAINT-1do still have him out the right door.p.61
20:01:35.7FOINT-2*.p.61
20:01:36.6CAINT-1continuing around to the right.p.61
20:01:40.4FOINT-2yeah * lost in the ground lights thanks for the tip.p.61
20:01:55.7FOINT-2would you be up for me flying for a little while?p.61
20:01:59.5CAINT-1yup. by all means ma'am.p.61
20:02:01.0FOINT-2I've got the flight controls.p.61
20:02:02.3CAINT-1you've got flight controls just know the wind kickin' out of the left definitely uh want to keep it in trim.p.61
20:02:07.0FOINT-2I can feel that.p.61
20:02:11.0CAINT-1you have flight controls.p.61
20:02:12.3FOINT-2I've got 'em thanks.p.61
20:02:28.5CAINT-1still got the Muscle aircraft out the right door. COCKPIT VOICE RECORDER (HELICOPTER) DCA25MA108p.61
20:02:28.5GROGROUPCHAIRMAN'S FACTUAL REPORT PG 60 OF 116 Time and Intra-Aircraft Communication Time and Over-the-Air Communication Source Sourcep.61
20:02:30.0FOINT-2thank you.p.62
20:02:32.2CAINT-1two hundred feet.p.62
20:02:38.7CARDO-1just outside the class bravo on course to Gaithersburg PAT two five.p.62
20:02:43.4FOINT-2okay correcting my altitude.p.62
20:02:48.1FOINT-2a little fast on the groundspeed * headwind.p.62
20:02:53.1FOINT-2tailwind.p.62
20:03:02.4CAINT-1alright what's the next...p.62
20:03:05.8FOINT-2*.p.62
20:03:06.8CAINT-1nineteen miles. cool.p.62
20:03:08.6FOINT-2yeah we got that. I've got a couple...* for the T-D-H but that one will work too. COCKPIT VOICE RECORDER (HELICOPTER) DCA25MA108p.62
20:03:08.6GROGROUPCHAIRMAN'S FACTUAL REPORT PG 61 OF 116 Time and Intra-Aircraft Communication Time and Over-the-Air Communication Source Sourcep.62
20:03:15.1CAINT-1alright you want me to do anything or just leave it at R-P two?p.63
20:03:17.1FOINT-2um...yeah leave it unless you want to pull your iPad out use naving or use the T-D-H I can try to get you we got on course just fine.p.63
20:03:25.1CAINT-1okay. yup. you're good.p.63
20:03:32.8FOINT-2but we were just coming up to the firehouse so timing is good so far.p.63
20:03:36.2CAINT-1alright I got uh the river I got Muscle eight er Muscle twelve out the right door one o'clock he's gonna pick up the river looking for Leesburg international airport uh don't quite have it in sight.p.63
20:03:47.9FOINT-2that's an international airport I had no idea.p.63
20:03:49.9CAINT-1no I doubt it. I don't think they are.p.63
20:03:54.7CARDO-1* * PAT two five we're gonna be landing about ni— five miles to the northeast at a uh helipad there in Olney Maryland so five miles to the northeast of Gaithersburg. COCKPIT VOICE RECORDER (HELICOPTER) DCA25MA108p.63
20:03:54.7GROGROUPCHAIRMAN'S FACTUAL REPORT PG 62 OF 116 Time and Intra-Aircraft Communication Time and Over-the-Air Communication Source Sourcep.63
20:03:54.8FOINT-2I want to make sure we don't-p.64
20:04:11.9FOINT-2want to make sure we're not getting too close to the fifteen for the shelf before we reenter the SFRA.p.64
20:04:17.0CAINT-1*.p.64
20:04:19.6FOINT-2let me check my iPad.p.64
20:04:22.9CARDO-1negative uh do request entry into the S-F-R-A we will not be landing at Gaithersburg um landing five miles to the north.p.64
20:04:46.7CAINT-1yup you're good here.p.64
20:04:48.0FOINT-2thank you.p.64
20:04:54.7CAINT-1there's one two three zero seven five per *.p.64
20:04:58.1CAINT-1Muscle aircraft is headed down the river negative factor for us. COCKPIT VOICE RECORDER (HELICOPTER) DCA25MA108p.64
20:04:58.1GROGROUPCHAIRMAN'S FACTUAL REPORT PG 63 OF 116 Time and Intra-Aircraft Communication Time and Over-the-Air Communication Source Sourcep.64
20:05:31.0CARDO-1one twenty six one have a good night PAT two five.p.65
20:05:35.1CAINT-1right front's inside.p.65
20:05:37.0FOINT-2got your scan.p.65
20:05:59.0CARDO-1approach PAT two five's with you two thousand.p.65
20:06:04.1FOINT-2back outside.p.65
20:06:05.5CAINT-1back outside on front right.p.65
20:06:25.7CAINT-1alright you warm enough for a bit @[CrewChief]?p.65
20:06:27.8OBINT-3yup.p.65
20:06:28.3CAINT-1all right.p.65
20:06:34.9FOINT-2don't like the heater?p.65
20:06:36.8CAINT-1oh I do I'm just pretty warm. COCKPIT VOICE RECORDER (HELICOPTER) DCA25MA108p.65
20:06:36.8GROGROUPCHAIRMAN'S FACTUAL REPORT PG 64 OF 116 Time and Intra-Aircraft Communication Time and Over-the-Air Communication Source Sourcep.65
20:06:38.6FOINT-2yeah.p.66
20:06:40.8CAINT-1it’s warm.p.66
20:06:43.0CARDO-1Potomac Approach PAT two five with you two thousand.p.66
20:06:54.8CAINT-1or not. right front's inside.p.66
20:06:57.9FOINT-2I got your scan.p.66
20:07:17.4FOINT-2eighty indicated but one oh eight ground that's wild.p.66
20:07:21.9CAINT-1gettin' it.p.66
20:07:39.5CARDO-1approach PAT two five level with you two thousand two hundred.p.66
20:07:47.8CAINT-1oh that's why. mother trucker.p.66
20:07:50.8FOINT-2oh wrong radio?p.66
20:07:54.7CAINT-1I couldn't see the last little frequency.p.66
20:07:58.5CAINT-1left front's inside. right front's inside. COCKPIT VOICE RECORDER (HELICOPTER) DCA25MA108p.66
20:07:58.5GROGROUPCHAIRMAN'S FACTUAL REPORT PG 65 OF 116 Time and Intra-Aircraft Communication Time and Over-the-Air Communication Source Sourcep.66
20:08:00.2FOINT-2'kay.p.67
20:08:33.9CARDO-1my apologies sir PAT two five is with you twenty one hundred feet.p.67
20:08:44.0CARDO-1we'll be just outside of Gaithersburg about uh five miles to the northeast PAT two five outside the bravo.p.67
20:08:51.9CARDO-1two five wilco.p.67
20:09:22.8CAINT-1alright still got about a thousand pounds over in the externals. and twenty one twenty auto mode still working good.p.67
20:09:31.8FOINT-2'kay. COCKPIT VOICE RECORDER (HELICOPTER) DCA25MA108p.67
20:09:31.8GROGROUPCHAIRMAN'S FACTUAL REPORT PG 66 OF 116 Time and Intra-Aircraft Communication Time and Over-the-Air Communication Source Sourcep.67
20:09:33.1CAINT-1so got about an hour and twenty minute flight almost an hour thirty now hour and a half looking good on time.p.68
20:09:42.9FOINT-2shouldn't need to go to the FARP.p.68
20:09:45.7CAINT-1say what?p.68
20:09:47.2FOINT-2unless you wanted to.p.68
20:09:49.2CAINT-1unless you want to do what?p.68
20:09:50.3FOINT-2we shouldn't need to use the FARP unless you want to.p.68
20:09:52.8CAINT-1uh yeah no. uh well I don't know. when we burn this off it'll be close.p.68
20:09:58.4CAINT-1might as well use 'em I hate not using 'em. I always feel really bad I'm like aw man they gotta sit out there.p.68
20:10:00.0FOINT-2yeah. yeah let's do it.p.68
20:10:04.9OBINT-3I mean it’s kind of their only job so... COCKPIT VOICE RECORDER (HELICOPTER) DCA25MA108p.68
20:10:04.9GROGROUPCHAIRMAN'S FACTUAL REPORT PG 67 OF 116 Time and Intra-Aircraft Communication Time and Over-the-Air Communication Source Sourcep.68
20:10:07.2CAINT-1I know so it’s like when you don't use 'em. I don't know I always feel bad.p.69
20:10:12.5OBINT-3I never feel bad about it. they barely do their job right anyway.p.69
20:10:15.6CAINT-1[sound of laugh] better watch it. you got the O-I-C of the FARP on board.p.69
20:10:18.7FOINT-2[sound of quick laugh] no if you got some issues with them let me know.p.69
20:10:23.9OBINT-3haven't had issues with the new group yet but the last group definitely had some friction.p.69
20:10:28.2FOINT-2I remember like that issue when like they made the trainee stand far away.p.69
20:10:33.5OBINT-3yeah.p.69
20:10:34.2FOINT-2were there other issues?p.69
20:10:35.5OBINT-3uh. a repeat issue with that and then um...there was something else but I can't remember off the top of my head. COCKPIT VOICE RECORDER (HELICOPTER) DCA25MA108p.69
20:10:35.5GROGROUPCHAIRMAN'S FACTUAL REPORT PG 68 OF 116 Time and Intra-Aircraft Communication Time and Over-the-Air Communication Source Sourcep.69
20:10:48.7FOINT-2I do feel for them though they only got like seven people here. and realistically we need like four on at a time at the FARP and so we don't even get that.p.70
20:11:04.7CARDO-1Montgomery County traffic PAT two five single U-H sixty. twenty three hundred feet we'll be crossing uh from the west to the east about five miles to the west at this time Montgomery County.p.70
20:11:22.4RDORDO[sound similar to eight mic clicks, consistent with operating pilot controlled lighting (PCL)]p.70
20:11:26.1CAINT-1boom coolest thing you can do as a pilot.p.70
20:11:28.2FOINT-2yeah that light you're right that is really cool.p.70
20:11:31.3CAINT-1I just turned lights on from two thousand feet.p.70
20:11:33.7FOINT-2[sound of laugh]p.70
20:11:35.1CAINT-1what kind of crazy world are we living in?p.70
20:11:37.4FOINT-2that is pretty wild.p.70
20:11:38.8CAINT-1Thomas Edison would have never imagined. COCKPIT VOICE RECORDER (HELICOPTER) DCA25MA108p.70
20:11:38.8GROGROUPCHAIRMAN'S FACTUAL REPORT PG 69 OF 116 Time and Intra-Aircraft Communication Time and Over-the-Air Communication Source Sourcep.70
20:11:40.9FOINT-2[sound of laugh]p.71
20:11:48.1CAINT-1alright I'll...you're three point nine from your R-P. definitely think we're going to have to land to the north.p.71
20:11:53.8FOINT-2okay.p.71
20:11:59.5FOINT-2yeah.p.71
20:12:00.5CAINT-1this wind is uh...p.71
20:12:01.9FOINT-2quite a headwind.p.71
20:12:03.0CAINT-1...not gonna make it super safe to be landing to the south.p.71
20:12:07.6FOINT-2yeah.p.71
20:12:27.0CARDO-1Montgomery County traffic. PAT two five single U-H sixty two thousand feet. three miles to the west. * transitioning west to east. Montgomery County.p.71
20:12:41.4FOINT-2you err on the side of caution with calling more C- TAFs *. COCKPIT VOICE RECORDER (HELICOPTER) DCA25MA108p.71
20:12:41.4GROGROUPCHAIRMAN'S FACTUAL REPORT PG 70 OF 116 Time and Intra-Aircraft Communication Time and Over-the-Air Communication Source Sourcep.71
20:12:45.2CAINT-1I do. it doesn't cost me a thing in the world. and it may save my bacon one day when somebody's walk- flying around not talking to approach or whatever.p.72
20:12:53.7FOINT-2yeah.p.72
20:12:54.3CAINT-1so I- I use 'em pretty often. I don't have any reason not to. and we are within two miles of Gaithersburg right now.p.72
20:13:01.0FOINT-2yeah. we're close to this one.p.72
20:13:15.7CAINT-1alright. you're one point four to your R-P.p.72
20:13:20.1FOINT-2okay. slow down come down a little bit.p.72
20:13:42.3FOINT-2wow that's wild. I'm slowing down and I'm still at a hundred knots ground.p.72
20:14:01.9CAINT-1point seven. what was your R-P?p.72
20:14:04.4FOINT-2what about it?p.72
20:14:05.5CAINT-1what was it? COCKPIT VOICE RECORDER (HELICOPTER) DCA25MA108p.72
20:14:05.5GROGROUPCHAIRMAN'S FACTUAL REPORT PG 71 OF 116 Time and Intra-Aircraft Communication Time and Over-the-Air Communication Source Sourcep.72
20:14:06.0FOINT-2um...I'm sorry what do you mean what was it?p.73
20:14:09.1CAINT-1alright what am I looking for on the ground?p.73
20:14:10.6FOINT-2um. I can't remember I have to look at my notes.p.73
20:14:12.9CAINT-1yeah no worries. just use the needle.p.73
20:14:15.7FOINT-2that'll work. and then eighty six should be the uh Olney.p.73
20:14:23.7CAINT-1alright two point two miles per the number one needle.p.73
20:14:26.8FOINT-2'kay. we'll cross over it to the east and we'll do a low pass.p.73
20:14:33.3CAINT-1alright. we are locked released crew passengers mission equipment.p.73
20:14:36.2FOINT-2*.p.73
20:14:36.4OBINT-3crew secure.p.73
20:14:37.6CAINT-1right front. COCKPIT VOICE RECORDER (HELICOPTER) DCA25MA108p.73
20:14:37.6GROGROUPCHAIRMAN'S FACTUAL REPORT PG 72 OF 116 Time and Intra-Aircraft Communication Time and Over-the-Air Communication Source Sourcep.73
20:14:39.7CAINT-1alright looks like I already have the pad. I don't know what that is don't get sucked into that.p.74
20:14:44.2FOINT-2I won't. okay. it’s an intersection that we're supposed to cross over *.p.74
20:14:51.4CAINT-1two K out. two point eight.p.74
20:14:56.6CAINT-1alright don't get too slow.p.74
20:14:57.9FOINT-2okay.p.74
20:15:00.0CAINT-1again this is one of those you know. * talk about L-T- E. where you get slow. start pulling in that power.p.74
20:15:07.2FOINT-2yeah *. okay.p.74
20:15:11.1FOINT-2yeah we got the wind coming of the...left door there.p.74
20:15:14.1CAINT-1just off the left door yeah.p.74
20:15:17.5CAINT-1alright we are- you can start coming down though.p.74
20:15:19.7FOINT-2'kay. coming down some more. clear obstacles. COCKPIT VOICE RECORDER (HELICOPTER) DCA25MA108p.74
20:15:19.7GROGROUPCHAIRMAN'S FACTUAL REPORT PG 73 OF 116 Time and Intra-Aircraft Communication Time and Over-the-Air Communication Source Sourcep.74
20:15:23.4CAINT-1and I'm thinking that's the pad out there at the left uh it’s gonna be coming to the eleven to the ten right.p.75
20:15:31.8OBINT-3I'm searching for it. *.p.75
20:15:33.5CAINT-1I can't get sucked in by that damn light.p.75
20:15:36.6FOINT-2that light's really bright.p.75
20:15:39.5FOINT-2that's why. * what the M-S-L is for it.p.75
20:15:43.9CAINT-1yup so there's the pad down there.p.75
20:15:44.7FOINT-2yeah I see it.p.75
20:15:46.1CAINT-1probably just make a-p.75
20:15:47.5FOINT-2make a little left traffic.p.75
20:15:48.5CAINT-1left or right probably right cause if we're gonna land to the north.p.75
20:15:52.1FOINT-2oh that's a good point. okay. yeah. COCKPIT VOICE RECORDER (HELICOPTER) DCA25MA108p.75
20:15:52.1GROGROUPCHAIRMAN'S FACTUAL REPORT PG 74 OF 116 Time and Intra-Aircraft Communication Time and Over-the-Air Communication Source Sourcep.75
20:15:56.5CAINT-1got the pad @[Crew Chief]?p.76
20:15:57.4OBINT-3yes I do.p.76
20:15:58.3CAINT-1alright roger.p.76
20:15:59.8FOINT-2okay so I'm going to turn right here. okay.p.76
20:16:03.3CAINT-1keep that airspeed up so now * low.p.76
20:16:12.0FOINT-2what's my ground speed? I feel like I'm kind of moving but I see my indicated is like thirty.p.76
20:16:16.7CAINT-1ground speed is sixty.p.76
20:16:18.9FOINT-2yeah.p.76
20:16:21.9CARDO-1and PAT two five is landing assured we'll call you on the go.p.76
20:16:35.3FOINT-2clear right.p.76
20:16:37.2CAINT-1roger right. a little right pedal.p.76
20:16:40.7FOINT-2* trim. COCKPIT VOICE RECORDER (HELICOPTER) DCA25MA108p.76
20:16:40.7GROGROUPCHAIRMAN'S FACTUAL REPORT PG 75 OF 116 Time and Intra-Aircraft Communication Time and Over-the-Air Communication Source Sourcep.76
20:16:44.4CARDO-1approach PAT two five is landing assured we'll call you on the go.p.77
20:16:48.6FOINT-2yeah. I don't have the pad in sight quite yet.p.77
20:16:51.4CAINT-1no you're all good.p.77
20:16:54.7CAINT-1one point five K out. gonna be out to your right so look at your number one needle.p.77
20:16:59.6FOINT-2yup I see it. gonna turn towards it.p.77
20:17:05.4FOINT-2there's the * trees I'm looking for got it.p.77
20:17:09.1CAINT-1start your slow back start your approach.p.77
20:17:10.8FOINT-2yeah slowing back.p.77
20:17:12.8FOINT-2another set of trees I can't quite see it but I know where it is.p.77
20:17:25.1CAINT-1before landing is good.p.77
20:17:26.7FOINT-2thank you. COCKPIT VOICE RECORDER (HELICOPTER) DCA25MA108p.77
20:17:26.7GROGROUPCHAIRMAN'S FACTUAL REPORT PG 76 OF 116 Time and Intra-Aircraft Communication Time and Over-the-Air Communication Source Sourcep.77
20:17:31.4CAINT-1got a left quartering...wind.p.78
20:17:33.6FOINT-2yeah I feel it.p.78
20:17:39.8CAINT-1remember there is a fence on the north side of this pad.p.78
20:17:42.2FOINT-2yeah. thank you. I see the sock I believe.p.78
20:17:46.0CAINT-1yup I have the windsock in sight.p.78
20:17:50.9FOINT-2probably still coming in a little too fast.p.78
20:17:55.9FOINT-2not so bad.p.78
20:18:01.1FOINT-2see that big tree on the right? am I clear of that?p.78
20:18:04.0CAINT-1you are.p.78
20:18:06.1FOINT-2yeah.p.78
20:18:08.0CAINT-1go around go around go around.p.78
20:18:09.1FOINT-2go around. COCKPIT VOICE RECORDER (HELICOPTER) DCA25MA108p.78
20:18:09.1GROGROUPCHAIRMAN'S FACTUAL REPORT PG 77 OF 116 Time and Intra-Aircraft Communication Time and Over-the-Air Communication Source Sourcep.78
20:18:12.8FOINT-2turn to the right. * building.p.79
20:18:17.0CAINT-1gettin' that airspeed up.p.79
20:18:18.7FOINT-2* airspeed. see the deer on the ground. I don't really see that fence but I know where it should be.p.79
20:18:22.9CAINT-1roger. climbing away from the hazards.p.79
20:18:28.6FOINT-2* power to the...p.79
20:18:31.4CAINT-1are you going- which way are you going ma'am?p.79
20:18:32.7FOINT-2I was gonna go right sorry do you want me to go left?p.79
20:18:34.2CAINT-1uh I think it'd beee probably better. because you're turning in to the wind right?p.79
20:18:36.4FOINT-2okay. yeah.p.79
20:18:38.8CAINT-1so again turn into that wind. use it. get more lift. the wind's gonna give you all the lift. and not the uh- whereas you're slow you're only indicating like forty knots... COCKPIT VOICE RECORDER (HELICOPTER) DCA25MA108p.79
20:18:38.8GROGROUPCHAIRMAN'S FACTUAL REPORT PG 78 OF 116 Time and Intra-Aircraft Communication Time and Over-the-Air Communication Source Sourcep.79
20:18:49.4FOINT-2yeah.p.80
20:18:50.3CAINT-1if you turn right then you're going to get that booming tailwind.p.80
20:18:53.3FOINT-2okay good point.p.80
20:18:53.8CAINT-1so they always want to fly into the wind as much as we can let 'em.p.80
20:18:57.8FOINT-2okay. it’s out the right door now.p.80
20:19:00.5CAINT-1what's that?p.80
20:19:01.2FOINT-2uh the winds should be out the- out of your right- off the right door.p.80
20:19:03.8CAINT-1yup. wind’s out the right door. absolutely.p.80
20:19:10.4FOINT-2yup. alright clear left.p.80
20:19:15.9OBINT-3clear left.p.80
20:19:22.5FOINT-2* *. COCKPIT VOICE RECORDER (HELICOPTER) DCA25MA108p.80
20:19:22.5GROGROUPCHAIRMAN'S FACTUAL REPORT PG 79 OF 116 Time and Intra-Aircraft Communication Time and Over-the-Air Communication Source Sourcep.80
20:19:31.3CARDO-1approach PAT two five is making pattern work uh we'll call you when we're headed back.p.81
20:19:49.1FOINT-2light's bright.p.81
20:20:06.6FOINT-2clear to go left.p.81
20:20:08.0OBINT-3clear left.p.81
20:20:21.2FOINT-2*. yeah I'm not sure I'm. I'm.p.81
20:20:25.4CAINT-1what's up?p.81
20:20:26.2FOINT-2this doesn't feel right.p.81
20:20:27.8CAINT-1yup. you're good. feels like you're gettin' your # kicked with some uh wind to the left right?p.81
20:20:31.8FOINT-2yes.p.81
20:20:32.2CAINT-1so go ahead and start your approach.p.81
20:20:34.2CAINT-1okay. COCKPIT VOICE RECORDER (HELICOPTER) DCA25MA108p.81
20:20:34.2GROGROUPCHAIRMAN'S FACTUAL REPORT PG 80 OF 116 Time and Intra-Aircraft Communication Time and Over-the-Air Communication Source Sourcep.81
20:20:36.0FOINT-2no indicated airspeed even though I'm barely pulling the aft cyclic.p.82
20:20:39.0CAINT-1yup. * pull in some power.p.82
20:20:40.7FOINT-2okay. pullin’ in a little more.p.82
20:20:42.3CAINT-1should have pad in sight.p.82
20:20:44.5FOINT-2I do I'm too high again though.p.82
20:20:46.5CAINT-1nope you're good. so I'd maybe a left pedal a little bit to put yourself into that wind.p.82
20:20:51.1FOINT-2'kay.p.82
20:20:54.3CAINT-1continue. you can start your approach. you're gonna be a little high.p.82
20:20:59.0FOINT-2yeah I- I'm not comfortable landing there.p.82
20:21:01.0CAINT-1alright cool.p.82
20:21:02.4FOINT-2I'm clearing out. I probably could but. its handling funny. COCKPIT VOICE RECORDER (HELICOPTER) DCA25MA108p.82
20:21:02.4GROGROUPCHAIRMAN'S FACTUAL REPORT PG 81 OF 116 Time and Intra-Aircraft Communication Time and Over-the-Air Communication Source Sourcep.82
20:21:08.7CAINT-1alright. mind if I give it a shot?p.83
20:21:11.0FOINT-2yeah please.p.83
20:21:11.9CAINT-1alright. I have flight controls.p.83
20:21:13.3FOINT-2you got 'em.p.83
20:21:13.6CAINT-1I do.p.83
20:21:16.6CAINT-1alright yeah so I mean the first thing I want is airspeed. the faster the better she's gonna want to fly.p.83
20:21:19.3FOINT-2yup.p.83
20:21:27.3CAINT-1and clear around left.p.83
20:21:28.4FOINT-2clear left.p.83
20:21:28.8OBINT-3clear left.p.83
20:21:32.1CAINT-1and keeping her in trim will be the other big thing.p.83
20:21:36.1FOINT-2okay. COCKPIT VOICE RECORDER (HELICOPTER) DCA25MA108p.83
20:21:36.1GROGROUPCHAIRMAN'S FACTUAL REPORT PG 82 OF 116 Time and Intra-Aircraft Communication Time and Over-the-Air Communication Source Sourcep.83
20:21:37.0CAINT-1so the more we can keep her in trim the better it’s going to feel it’s gonna feel more natural we're not gonna get in that proprioceptive of the seat of our pants flying.p.84
20:21:48.3FOINT-2'kay.p.84
20:21:48.9CAINT-1whereas if we can keep her in trim it feels more natur-al.p.84
20:21:53.5CAINT-1it does feel smoother now than it was.p.84
20:21:58.8CAINT-1I do not have the L-Z call my turn.p.84
20:22:03.1FOINT-2no worries.p.84
20:22:06.1FOINT-2clear * left.p.84
20:22:07.8CAINT-1clear left.p.84
20:22:09.2OBINT-3clear left.p.84
20:22:11.2CAINT-1again I'm lowering that nose. I'm not trying to slow down and I'm trying to keep her in trim. COCKPIT VOICE RECORDER (HELICOPTER) DCA25MA108p.84
20:22:11.2GROGROUPCHAIRMAN'S FACTUAL REPORT PG 83 OF 116 Time and Intra-Aircraft Communication Time and Over-the-Air Communication Source Sourcep.84
20:22:15.6FOINT-2okay.p.85
20:22:19.2CAINT-1still don't have the L-Z in sight.p.85
20:22:20.8FOINT-2that's okay. it’s at the end.p.85
20:22:23.3OBINT-3at uh nine thirty ten o'clock now.p.85
20:22:24.3FOINT-2* number one.p.85
20:22:25.5CAINT-1* roger got it in sight.p.85
20:22:27.8FOINT-2field.p.85
20:22:33.4CAINT-1and starting my approach. now I'm gonna put her left nose. I know where the wind's coming from. that's gonna give me my best power margins.p.85
20:22:49.9CAINT-1gonna just keep pushing that nose over. pulling in my power sixty percent.p.85
20:23:01.8CAINT-1and call me clear of the trees on the left please sir.p.85
20:23:05.2OBINT-3roger. COCKPIT VOICE RECORDER (HELICOPTER) DCA25MA108p.85
20:23:05.2GROGROUPCHAIRMAN'S FACTUAL REPORT PG 84 OF 116 Time and Intra-Aircraft Communication Time and Over-the-Air Communication Source Sourcep.85
20:23:21.6OBINT-3continue forward.p.86
20:23:23.0CAINT-1continuing forward.p.86
20:23:26.1OBINT-3mains are clear of obstacles.p.86
20:23:27.7CAINT-1alright coming down.p.86
20:23:29.7FOINT-2I do not have sight of the L-Z anymore.p.86
20:23:31.2CAINT-1roger.p.86
20:23:31.6OBINT-3tail's clear.p.86
20:23:33.0CAINT-1alright coming down.p.86
20:23:34.6CAINT-1that's seventy two percent. if anything happens we're going forward. straight forward.p.86
20:23:41.3FOINT-2good.p.86
20:23:44.7OBINT-3do you have the pad in sight sir?p.86
20:23:46.6CAINT-1a-firm sliding right. COCKPIT VOICE RECORDER (HELICOPTER) DCA25MA108p.86
20:23:46.6GROGROUPCHAIRMAN'S FACTUAL REPORT PG 85 OF 116 Time and Intra-Aircraft Communication Time and Over-the-Air Communication Source Sourcep.86
20:23:48.0OBINT-3roger.p.87
20:23:50.4FOINT-2got the fence.p.87
20:23:52.8OBINT-3mains are over the concrete continue forward.p.87
20:23:54.7CAINT-1continuing forward.p.87
20:23:57.1OBINT-3continue forward for five...four...three...two...one...tail's over clear on left.p.87
20:24:07.6CAINT-1oh sorry. a little nose left tail right.p.87
20:24:10.4OBINT-3uh.p.87
20:24:11.0FOINT-2clear left. definitely safe left.p.87
20:24:13.4CAINT-1and coming down.p.87
20:24:14.6OBINT-3clear left.p.87
20:24:22.3FOINT-2okay. pressure * brake *.p.87
20:24:25.1CAINT-1oh just hold 'em? COCKPIT VOICE RECORDER (HELICOPTER) DCA25MA108p.87
20:24:25.1GROGROUPCHAIRMAN'S FACTUAL REPORT PG 86 OF 116 Time and Intra-Aircraft Communication Time and Over-the-Air Communication Source Sourcep.87
20:24:26.6FOINT-2you want to hold 'em? ok cool.p.88
20:24:27.6CAINT-1yup.p.88
20:24:29.3CAINT-1alright um. that wind definitely makes it tricky.p.88
20:24:33.0FOINT-2yeah.p.88
20:24:33.7CAINT-1and its uh...yeah with it blowing obviously the wind sock doesn't look like its blowing very much. the windsock has it kind of...I guess the windsock has it blowing as a three zero zero. so that's the thing with a helipad I mean you can kind of come in any way you want as long as you as long as you can make aware. obviously those lights out the right door and that tower make it uh not conducive to be over here.p.88
20:24:59.6FOINT-2good challenge though. worth a try.p.88
20:25:02.7CAINT-1but other than that- if you want to make another pattern in here or whatever you want to do.p.88
20:25:08.5FOINT-2yeah hones- I uh when we got to the * at that point that's kind of probably like where I was like yeah I don't want to do this cause I can't really see it like maybe I need to be higher in my chair or something but I kind of lost any * flying. yeah I'm good with the demonstration. COCKPIT VOICE RECORDER (HELICOPTER) DCA25MA108p.88
20:25:08.5GROGROUPCHAIRMAN'S FACTUAL REPORT PG 87 OF 116 Time and Intra-Aircraft Communication Time and Over-the-Air Communication Source Sourcep.88
20:25:25.4CAINT-1alright.p.89
20:25:28.8FOINT-2but we can uh go on back tooo... go back south unless you want to do another pattern or do anything else.p.89
20:25:35.3CAINT-1nope. no I'm good.p.89
20:26:01.9CAINT-1try seventy fifty six maybe. to Chain Bridge if that's where you want to go.p.89
20:26:07.8FOINT-2* Cabin John * *.p.89
20:26:42.7FOINT-2make sure I'm not gonna go through anybody's airspace.p.89
20:26:45.3CAINT-1rog-o.p.89
20:26:46.9FOINT-2so yeah we're going to maybe need to call to Gaithersburg but if we just go due south yup through route seven to Cabin John we'll be perfect.p.89
20:26:55.4CAINT-1cool.p.89
20:26:55.9FOINT-2*. COCKPIT VOICE RECORDER (HELICOPTER) DCA25MA108p.89
20:26:55.9GROGROUPCHAIRMAN'S FACTUAL REPORT PG 88 OF 116 Time and Intra-Aircraft Communication Time and Over-the-Air Communication Source Sourcep.89
20:26:58.6FOINT-2altitude up to fifteen. * *.p.90
20:27:07.3FOINT-2and get up with tower pretty soon alright. talk to Potomac again and then go back and switch to tower pretty soon then I can make a call to uh Montgomery.p.90
20:27:17.7CAINT-1alright.p.90
20:27:20.0FOINT-2okay. uh go ahead and take off north if you like and then turn south towards the point.p.90
20:27:26.4CAINT-1alright.p.90
20:27:30.2CAINT-1before takeoff.p.90
20:27:32.0FOINT-2okie dokie.p.90
20:27:36.6FOINT-2alright. that's not the right route.p.90
20:27:43.6FOINT-2okay. got it. alright before takeoff engine power control levers are at fly we've got twenty one hundred eighty in the mains four hundred each side tank...in our tanks we are * avionics right now. passengers mission equipment secure.p.90
20:28:03.2CAINT-1right crew. COCKPIT VOICE RECORDER (HELICOPTER) DCA25MA108p.90
20:28:03.2GROGROUPCHAIRMAN'S FACTUAL REPORT PG 89 OF 116 Time and Intra-Aircraft Communication Time and Over-the-Air Communication Source Sourcep.90
20:28:04.3OBINT-3left crew.p.91
20:28:05.2CAINT-1alright. coming up.p.91
20:28:08.9OBINT-3clear left.p.91
20:28:10.0CAINT-1roger right.p.91
20:28:17.2CAINT-1and we're above all hazards on the right.p.91
20:28:20.3FOINT-2and we're clear on the left.p.91
20:28:31.9FOINT-2tower one o'clock.p.91
20:28:33.8CAINT-1tally.p.91
20:28:35.9CAINT-1* * damn look at all them deer.p.91
20:28:38.7FOINT-2a lot.p.91
20:28:39.2CAINT-1holy #.p.91
20:28:41.0FOINT-2are you a hunter? COCKPIT VOICE RECORDER (HELICOPTER) DCA25MA108p.91
20:28:41.0GROGROUPCHAIRMAN'S FACTUAL REPORT PG 90 OF 116 Time and Intra-Aircraft Communication Time and Over-the-Air Communication Source Sourcep.91
20:28:42.0CAINT-1I am. clear left.p.92
20:28:43.5OBINT-3clear left.p.92
20:28:44.1FOINT-2on the left.p.92
20:28:44.7CAINT-1I just saw our shadow and almost pooped myself. that was # terrifying.p.92
20:28:49.2FOINT-2[sound of laugh] oof.p.92
20:29:02.0CAINT-1you just want me to come all the way to the south?p.92
20:29:04.3FOINT-2yup that'll do.p.92
20:29:05.5CAINT-1alright coming up a thousand feet and to the south.p.92
20:29:07.8FOINT-2perfect. once we get to a thousand I will try to contact approach.p.92
20:29:15.9CAINT-1how far are we from Montgomery County?p.92
20:29:20.0FOINT-2double checking...about four miles. COCKPIT VOICE RECORDER (HELICOPTER) DCA25MA108p.92
20:29:20.0GROGROUPCHAIRMAN'S FACTUAL REPORT PG 91 OF 116 Time and Intra-Aircraft Communication Time and Over-the-Air Communication Source Sourcep.92
20:29:25.6CARDO-1Montgomery county PAT two five single U-H sixty a thousand feet operating four miles to the east. PAT two five.p.93
20:29:36.7CAINT-1that was a terrible # call.p.93
20:29:38.0FOINT-2[sound of quick laugh]p.93
20:29:41.3FORDO-2Potomac approach PAT two five is with you again at one thousand feet off of Montgomery requesting V- uh flight following back to Davison.p.93
20:29:53.7CAINT-1I don't think he can hear us you want me to come up or you just want to go up with National?p.93
20:29:57.3FOINT-2I'll just go straight to National I don't think anyone will be upset. inside real quick.p.93
20:30:02.0CAINT-1roger. COCKPIT VOICE RECORDER (HELICOPTER) DCA25MA108p.93
20:30:02.0GROGROUPCHAIRMAN'S FACTUAL REPORT PG 92 OF 116 Time and Intra-Aircraft Communication Time and Over-the-Air Communication Source Sourcep.93
20:30:19.1FORDO-2Washington Tower PAT two five U-H sixty off of Montgomery requesting flight following back to Davison.p.94
20:30:27.2FOINT-2wow not flight following *.p.94
20:30:28.1CAINT-1ha.p.94
20:30:33.7FOINT-2hopefully they didn't hear that but they probably did.[sound of quick laugh]p.94
20:30:41.5CAINT-1they just said uh we'll ignore that.p.94
20:30:43.7FOINT-2yeah. I don't hear any traffic on there though. we don't need to talk to them yet.p.94
20:30:54.7FOINT-2we're below twenty five hundred.p.94
20:30:56.6CAINT-1yup.p.94
20:30:58.4GROGROUPCHAIRMAN'S FACTUAL REPORT PG 93 OF 116 Time and Intra-Aircraft Communication Time and Over-the-Air Communication Source Sourcep.94
20:31:08.1RDORDO-?[sound similar to twelve mic clicks, consistent with operating pilot controlled lighting (PCL)]p.95
20:31:10.9FOINT-2more lights.p.95
20:31:13.5CAINT-1I was trying to find it. this time for real.p.95
20:31:20.6FOINT-2* at the back right of the aircraft.p.95
20:31:24.9CAINT-1yeah there it is.p.95
20:31:28.0CAINT-1there's fifteen hundred feet.p.95
20:31:30.4FOINT-2okay. * altitude. fifteen hundred's good.p.95
20:31:39.2FOINT-2alright number one needle. I'll try them again. COCKPIT VOICE RECORDER (HELICOPTER) DCA25MA108p.95
20:31:39.2GROGROUPCHAIRMAN'S FACTUAL REPORT PG 94 OF 116 Time and Intra-Aircraft Communication Time and Over-the-Air Communication Source Sourcep.95
20:31:42.2CAINT-1alright coming right on the number one.p.96
20:32:00.1FORDO-2National Tower PAT two five requesting Cabin John route one route four Davison.p.96
20:32:13.9FORDO-2two niner eight nine PAT two five proceed as requested.p.96
20:32:18.2FOINT-2alright. is he pretty muffled?p.96
20:32:23.7CAINT-1yeah. I definitely didn't catch what he said. I'm glad you did.p.96
20:32:28.8FOINT-2I don't know if that last one * not. * before that though.p.96
20:32:38.9FOINT-2huh. volume's at eighteen it’s loud enough.p.96
20:32:44.4GROGROUPCHAIRMAN'S FACTUAL REPORT PG 95 OF 116 Time and Intra-Aircraft Communication Time and Over-the-Air Communication Source Sourcep.96
20:32:49.5CAINT-1okay ma'am you can fly. sounds like you've communicated all that needs to be communicated.p.97
20:32:54.0FOINT-2okay sounds good. do you want me to fly?p.97
20:32:55.9CAINT-1sure.p.97
20:32:56.5FOINT-2alright I have flight controls.p.97
20:32:57.3CAINT-1you do have flight controls.p.97
20:32:58.1FOINT-2yup.p.97
20:33:09.6CAINT-1right front's inside.p.97
20:33:11.4FOINT-2rog.p.97
20:33:19.4CARDO-1there goes PAT two five.p.97
20:33:21.6FOINT-2IDENT. COCKPIT VOICE RECORDER (HELICOPTER) DCA25MA108p.97
20:33:21.6GROGROUPCHAIRMAN'S FACTUAL REPORT PG 96 OF 116 Time and Intra-Aircraft Communication Time and Over-the-Air Communication Source Sourcep.97
20:33:41.1CARDO-1PAT two five is looking for Cabin John route one to route four to Davison.p.98
20:33:48.1CARDO-1approved two five.p.98
20:33:51.0FOINT-2*.p.98
20:34:17.8CAINT-1right front's back outside. COCKPIT VOICE RECORDER (HELICOPTER) DCA25MA108p.98
20:34:17.8GROGROUPCHAIRMAN'S FACTUAL REPORT PG 97 OF 116 Time and Intra-Aircraft Communication Time and Over-the-Air Communication Source Sourcep.98
20:34:18.5FOINT-2com sounds really crappy.p.99
20:34:21.0FOINT-2do they have a U-H-F?p.99
20:34:24.3FOINT-2we got a master caution for the aux fuel.p.99
20:34:26.2CAINT-1roger. what'd you say right before that?p.99
20:34:30.0FOINT-2oh I was gonna do they have a U-H-F...or don't they?p.99
20:34:32.3CAINT-1um...p.99
20:34:35.9FOINT-2he still sounds really crappy.p.99
20:34:37.3CAINT-1...they do but uh I don't know if they use it.p.99
20:34:37.8GROGROUPCHAIRMAN'S FACTUAL REPORT PG 98 OF 116 Time and Intra-Aircraft Communication Time and Over-the-Air Communication Source Sourcep.99
20:34:39.2FOINT-2master caution for the aux fuel.p.100
20:34:42.8CAINT-1roger.p.100
20:35:08.1CAINT-1split the p's what?p.100
20:35:10.4FOINT-2*.p.100
20:35:12.3FOINT-2I thought they didn't want us doing that.p.100
20:35:13.4GROGROUPCHAIRMAN'S FACTUAL REPORT PG 99 OF 116 Time and Intra-Aircraft Communication Time and Over-the-Air Communication Source Sourcep.100
20:35:13.9CAINT-1Blackjack out here running amok.p.101
20:35:17.1FOINT-2[sound of laugh]p.101
20:36:35.8GROGROUPCHAIRMAN'S FACTUAL REPORT PG 100 OF 116 Time and Intra-Aircraft Communication Time and Over-the-Air Communication Source Sourcep.101
20:36:41.3CAINT-1just for your awareness I put them in two.p.102
20:36:44.5FOINT-2okay thanks.p.102
20:36:46.4CAINT-1see if it'll pick them up a little better.p.102
20:36:51.2CAINT-1you are five K from Cabin John I'm sure you have it in sight.p.102
20:36:56.4FOINT-2I believe that's it that bridge.p.102
20:36:58.4CAINT-1a-firm.p.102
20:37:32.2GROGROUPCHAIRMAN'S FACTUAL REPORT PG 101 OF 116 Time and Intra-Aircraft Communication Time and Over-the-Air Communication Source Sourcep.102
20:38:04.0CAINT-1left seat's inside.p.103
20:38:05.5FOINT-2say again? you're good I got your scan.p.103
20:38:11.3FOINT-2thirteen at Cabin John. COCKPIT VOICE RECORDER (HELICOPTER) DCA25MA108p.103
20:38:11.3GROGROUPCHAIRMAN'S FACTUAL REPORT PG 102 OF 116 Time and Intra-Aircraft Communication Time and Over-the-Air Communication Source Sourcep.103
20:38:35.8CAINT-1what's up ma'am where we going?p.104
20:38:38.1FOINT-2down the river. uh route one to four.p.104
20:38:42.7CAINT-1uh you just took a right turn which is gonna take us back to Great Falls and *.p.104
20:38:47.2FOINT-2oh excuse me. okay * I should be headed...alright. coming to the...left.p.104
20:38:57.4OBINT-3clear left.p.104
20:38:58.2CAINT-1I mean I'm all game for it but we just gotta let the dude know. COCKPIT VOICE RECORDER (HELICOPTER) DCA25MA108p.104
20:38:58.2GROGROUPCHAIRMAN'S FACTUAL REPORT PG 103 OF 116 Time and Intra-Aircraft Communication Time and Over-the-Air Communication Source Sourcep.104
20:39:00.8FOINT-2[sound of quick laugh] no totally fair.p.105
20:39:04.6CAINT-1I am all game for goin to shake up some Great Falls at twenty feet tonight. we didn't brief it so we'll have to make a blood pact.p.105
20:39:10.5FOINT-2nope. right.p.105
20:39:14.9CAINT-1alright a little right pedal. yeah that'll help it feel smoother.p.105
20:39:19.3FOINT-2let's see if it feels smoother.p.105
20:39:28.8FOINT-2I'm with it alright. *.p.105
20:39:45.3GROGROUPCHAIRMAN'S FACTUAL REPORT PG 104 OF 116 Time and Intra-Aircraft Communication Time and Over-the-Air Communication Source Sourcep.105
20:40:06.2FOINT-2okay.p.106
20:40:09.0CAINT-1alright down to thirteen hundred feet we're already a little low.p.106
20:40:11.7FOINT-2alright. oh wow yeah okay.p.106
20:40:16.8CAINT-1thirteen hundred feet to Chain Bridge at Chain Bridge down to seven hundred of the feets.p.106
20:40:18.8FOINT-2okay. yeah.p.106
20:40:21.1CAINT-1so we'll just maintain here we're already at seven.p.106
20:40:23.6FOINT-2okay. COCKPIT VOICE RECORDER (HELICOPTER) DCA25MA108p.106
20:40:23.6GROGROUPCHAIRMAN'S FACTUAL REPORT PG 105 OF 116 Time and Intra-Aircraft Communication Time and Over-the-Air Communication Source Sourcep.106
20:41:14.5GROGROUPCHAIRMAN'S FACTUAL REPORT PG 106 OF 116 Time and Intra-Aircraft Communication Time and Over-the-Air Communication Source Sourcep.107
20:41:35.1CAINT-1alright Blackjack's already cleared the P's so he's not going to be a factor for us.p.108
20:41:40.0FOINT-2yeah.p.108
20:41:42.8CAINT-1and what did we request one to four? so we'll head straight down the river.p.108
20:41:47.1FOINT-2one for Hains...and...fourp.108
20:42:06.4CAINT-1*.p.108
20:42:12.5CAINT-1I did not hear his route...after...p.108
20:42:14.5FOINT-2the Memorial.p.108
20:42:15.4CAINT-1yeah. COCKPIT VOICE RECORDER (HELICOPTER) DCA25MA108p.108
20:42:15.4GROGROUPCHAIRMAN'S FACTUAL REPORT PG 107 OF 116 Time and Intra-Aircraft Communication Time and Over-the-Air Communication Source Sourcep.108
20:42:16.1FOINT-2I don't see him yet.p.109
20:42:18.0CAINT-1* he's gonna be down in the lights.p.109
20:42:36.5CAINT-1* the Chain Bridge at seven hundred feet. good. next'll be Key Bridge we'll be down to three hundred.p.109
20:42:43.2FOINT-2I see it. to the left.p.109
20:43:20.0GROGROUPCHAIRMAN'S FACTUAL REPORT PG 108 OF 116 Time and Intra-Aircraft Communication Time and Over-the-Air Communication Source Sourcep.109
20:43:40.0FOINT-2gettin' choppy close to the ground.p.110
20:43:43.5CAINT-1oh yeah down low it’s definitely gonna get choppy.p.110
20:43:45.8FOINT-2yeah.p.110
20:43:47.7FOINT-2we're at three hundred.p.110
20:43:49.8CAINT-1roger got you at four looking for *.p.110
20:44:27.7CAINT-1alright there's three hundred for two hundred. COCKPIT VOICE RECORDER (HELICOPTER) DCA25MA108p.110
20:44:27.7GROGROUPCHAIRMAN'S FACTUAL REPORT PG 109 OF 116 Time and Intra-Aircraft Communication Time and Over-the-Air Communication Source Sourcep.110
20:44:55.1FOINT-2two hundred.p.111
20:45:13.8CARDO-1PAT two five Memorial.p.111
20:45:14.5FOINT-2*. COCKPIT VOICE RECORDER (HELICOPTER) DCA25MA108p.111
20:45:14.5GROGROUPCHAIRMAN'S FACTUAL REPORT PG 110 OF 116 Time and Intra-Aircraft Communication Time and Over-the-Air Communication Source Sourcep.111
20:45:17.1FOINT-2alright.p.112
20:45:17.8CAINT-1lots of right pedal ma'am.p.112
20:45:19.0FOINT-2oh-kay.p.112
20:45:20.0CAINT-1there we go now we can make the turn.p.112
20:45:21.3FOINT-2okay.p.112
20:45:22.7FOINT-2* * *.p.112
20:45:27.6OBINT-3clear left.p.112
20:45:28.8FOINT-2clear left. crane. no factor.p.112
20:45:32.4CAINT-1you're at three hundred feet. come down for me. COCKPIT VOICE RECORDER (HELICOPTER) DCA25MA108p.112
20:45:32.4GROGROUPCHAIRMAN'S FACTUAL REPORT PG 111 OF 116 Time and Intra-Aircraft Communication Time and Over-the-Air Communication Source Sourcep.112
20:45:33.9FOINT-2yeah.p.113
20:45:36.0FOINT-2go down two hundred.p.113
20:45:50.6CAINT-1crane out the right. no factor.p.113
20:45:52.2FOINT-2okay.p.113
20:46:07.9CARDO-1PAT two five has the traffic in sight request visual separation.p.113
20:46:19.1GROGROUPCHAIRMAN'S FACTUAL REPORT PG 112 OF 116 Time and Intra-Aircraft Communication Time and Over-the-Air Communication Source Sourcep.113
20:46:26.4CAINT-1ha ha.p.114
20:46:27.2FOINT-2ha.p.114
20:46:34.0CAINT-1he's got'em stacked up tonight.p.114
20:46:36.0FOINT-2(yeah/kinda) busy.p.114
20:46:40.4CAINT-1alright three three zero so now we've pretty much got a right quartering tailwind going to be pushing you.p.114
20:46:43.7FOINT-2yeah.p.114
20:46:48.0GROGROUPCHAIRMAN'S FACTUAL REPORT PG 113 OF 116 Time and Intra-Aircraft Communication Time and Over-the-Air Communication Source Sourcep.114
20:46:48.9FOINT-2* crabbing.p.115
20:46:50.6CAINT-1yeah.p.115
20:46:51.8FOINT-2better not to fight the wind.p.115
20:46:56.6FOINT-2right pedal.p.115
20:47:15.0GROGROUPCHAIRMAN'S FACTUAL REPORT PG 114 OF 116 Time and Intra-Aircraft Communication Time and Over-the-Air Communication Source Sourcep.115
20:47:44.1CARDO-1PAT two five has uh- aircraft in sight request visual separation.p.116
20:47:47.8FOINT-2(woah/below).p.116
20:47:52.5CAINT-1alright kinda come left for me ma'am I think that's why he's asking.p.116
20:47:54.3FOINT-2sure.p.116
20:47:55.3CAINT-1we're kinda... COCKPIT VOICE RECORDER (HELICOPTER) DCA25MA108p.116
20:47:55.3GROGROUPCHAIRMAN'S FACTUAL REPORT PG 115 OF 116 Time and Intra-Aircraft Communication Time and Over-the-Air Communication Source Sourcep.116
20:47:55.4FOINT-2oh-kay. fine.p.117
20:47:56.4CAINT-1...out towards the middle.p.117
20:47:57.7FOINT-2[sound similar to mumbling]p.117
20:47:59.2RDORDO[sound similar to ELT signal]p.117
20:48:00.1FPSFPS[sound of rapid beeping similar to stabilator auto mode fail master caution, continues to end of recording]p.117