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BOEING 737-275CRHOADES AVIATION INC

836 lines · 00:39:14.4 – 01:45:17.0 · Honolulu, HI, 2021-07-02

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  • 01:45:07.9EGPWSpull up. [electronic voice]
  • 01:45:09.6EGPWStoo low terrain. [electronic voice]
  • 01:45:11.4HOT-1oh man we're in the water we're in the water we can't go...
  • 01:45:12.0CAM[sound similar to stick shaker, remained active throughout the duration of the recording]
  • 01:45:12.4EGPWSterrain terrain. [electronic voice]
  • 01:45:13.7EGPWSpull up. [electronic voice]
  • 01:45:14.9EGPWSpull up. [electronic voice]
  • 01:45:15.9HOT-1#.
  • 01:45:16.3EGPWSpull up. [electronic voice]
  • 01:45:17.0CAM[sounds consistent with impact] 0145:17.3

Crew communication

836 lines readobservations a human-factors reviewer takes from a transcript — the sterile cockpit, the Board's own notations, rhythm, CRM markers. Not emotions, not scores: the affect is in the audio, and the audio is sealed
60 / 39
floor share · CA / FO %
17%
non-pertinent talk in sterile window
12 · 54 · 9
laughter · delivery · expletives
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crew questions unanswered in 8 s
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warnings with a crew response in 5 s
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Utterances per minute, one row per speaker on one clock. shaded = sterile-cockpit window · red = end of recording.
Sterile cockpit · 14 CFR 121.542

Window: 01:20:31–01:45:16 · basis: recorder pressure altitude below 10,000 ft. Candidate non-pertinent lines below are a first reading for the investigator, not a finding; “@” marks the Board's own non-pertinent-word notation.

  • 01:21:59.7“I'm gonna send this to @ [chief pilot]...oh you sent it to him already.”@
  • 01:22:04.4“all right I'll send it to @ [chief pilot].”@
  • 01:22:07.7“'cause I told him you know I read somewhere you know that you (reference) to the stops ***.”
  • 01:22:15.6“'cause she doesn't * the stops like that..I knew I read it somewhere.”
  • 01:25:45.1“** yeah...you kinda like have to maneuver (around).”
  • 01:25:48.1“oh yeah see everybody always goes around it.”
  • 01:26:36.3“maybe that's why we have a leak now.”
  • 01:26:38.7“hahahahahaha...oh I was like...what the...this girl is driving me crazy you know.”
  • 01:26:47.2“yeah...and we both went like this you know?...oh what the #...and then I'm looking at her...and go I don't know what to say no more...you know?”
  • 01:27:02.4“I mean (this/these) are the kind of women you don't wanna get married to...you know some men they lose their temper and the next thing you knows the wife is dead you know…they start punching them and kicking them and um they lost their minds you know...they kill the woman...it's the woman who can (drag/drive) you to (do/doom) crazy stuff...you know?”
  • 01:30:26.0“oh no I like it like that...thank you.”
  • 01:30:47.4“oh that guy he was hard to work for...you know **.”
  • 01:31:13.1“he's at @ [airline] now.”@
  • 01:32:02.1“yeah I said...@ [company pilot] you are a joke you are an absolute joke...you know...you're looking at the w— ...oh my *...”@
  • 01:36:36.1“you want me to take over or you got it?”
  • 01:38:15.7“okay...should we head back toward the airport though before we get too far away?”
  • 01:38:42.8“yeah we can take a turn to the right umm...toward the airport (I'm) not ready to land yet though.”
  • 01:39:10.2“okay shoot we should head towards the airport.”
  • 01:40:13.0“hey man we're going...we can't keep going down.”
  • 01:40:21.6“okay see...see if you can see the airport now...(***).”
  • 01:43:18.8“you wanna let the Coast— Coast Guard know as well?”
  • 01:44:53.9“shoot this is the water we in the water.”
  • 01:45:11.4“oh man we're in the water we're in the water we can't go...”
The Board’s own notations

Delivery and physiological notes the transcribers added in brackets, plus # expletives. 374 words are marked unintelligible (*).

  • unintelligible response with significant breathing noises00:41:57.5“[unintelligible response with significant breathing noises]”
  • #00:52:21.3“and then it turned into an argument and I go @ [company pilot] you know just...use the glideslope...use the glideslope...screw the PAPI...and she goes I'm not going to use the glideslope if I wanted to use the glideslope I would have briefed I- L-S you know...I said god # @ [company pilot] just just (add) the glideslope. [trails off into laughter] this is the way we work when I am with her you know you have to yell at her force her to do things you know...and then she got on the glideslope and...after we landed she said I don't like the way you talk to me I said I don't like the way you do things...you know...and she goes if I wanted to use the glideslope I would have briefed the I-L-S...this turned into one hour argument in the parking lot...you know after we landed...with @ [company pilot]...and I brought this up with @ [DO] I said look at what this girl is doing you know...what...and he was like ehhh yeah...the book the book is not really clear and...I said this is not the book this is common sense you know...she is being blinded by the sun...this is what I think...you know...and she could not stay on the PAPI...I told her use the glideslope...that is what we do when you don't see anything.”
  • #00:59:14.8“if she doesn't get fired I'm sure they're gonna make the point like she's gotta knock it off...'cause now that @’s [owner] involved I'm sure...here I mean so @ [DO] can say ohhh well you know you know @ [owner] can say # you know you know I need you to fly the airplanes or you're out.”
  • #01:02:23.3“well then...# upgrade and be a captain somewhere you know but you got the wrong attitude to do it... to be a captain.”
  • sound of person shouting in background01:04:48.8“[sound of person shouting in background]”
  • background shouting01:09:56.1“[background shouting]”
  • electronic female voice01:24:00.4“approaching runway two six right. [electronic female voice]”
  • #01:26:47.2“yeah...and we both went like this you know?...oh what the #...and then I'm looking at her...and go I don't know what to say no more...you know?”
  • mocking voice01:27:30.3“and she's got that little voice like a two year old...she's no two year old! ** [mocking voice]...no man don't let (her/that) fool you.”
  • sound of low frequency vibration tone decreasing in pitch from ~115Hz to ~105Hz01:33:54.7“[sound of low frequency vibration tone decreasing in pitch from ~115Hz to ~105Hz]”
  • #01:33:55.7“oh #.”
  • #01:40:08.0“#.”
  • sounds of increasing pitch, consistent with increasing engine thrust01:40:17.2“[sounds of increasing pitch, consistent with increasing engine thrust]”
  • #01:41:09.8“#.”
  • electronic voice01:41:58.2“five hundred. [electronic voice]”
  • electronic voice01:41:59.5“too low gear. [electronic voice]”
  • electronic voice01:42:36.1“too low gear. [electronic voice]”
  • electronic voice01:42:37.8“too low terrain. [electronic voice]”
  • electronic voice01:42:40.9“too low gear. [electronic voice]”
  • electronic voice01:42:43.7“terrain terrain. [electronic voice]”
  • electronic voice01:42:45.8“pull up. [electronic voice]”
  • spoken urgently01:42:46.3“pull up we're low. [spoken urgently]”
  • electronic voice01:42:47.6“pull up. [electronic voice]”
  • electronic voice01:42:48.8“pull up. [electronic voice]”
  • +39 more
Silences of 45 s or more
Concerns voiced, and what followed

Hedged or questioning lines from one pilot in the critical window, with the other pilot’s next words.

  • 01:27:42.6“I don't know...the way it sounds like she was acting...maybe she is a two year old.”
    → 01:27:48.3“roger...clear left.”
  • 01:30:38.7“I think that's one thing @ [former company pilot] will always be remembered for...”
    → 01:30:42.2“oh yeah...”
  • 01:37:51.9“yep so it looks like the number one.”
    → 01:37:53.6“number one is gone?”
  • 01:40:11.2“(what's this?)”
    → 01:40:16.8“we're descending.”
Warnings and the response
  • 00:40:54.9[sound similar to fire bell]
    → no crew words within 5 s
  • 00:41:28.0[sound similar to fire bell]
    → no crew words within 5 s
  • 00:42:29.7[sound similar to fire bell]
    → no crew words within 5 s
  • 01:36:47.4and Rhoades express eight ten uhh...when you get a chance TWR-B uhh can I get ya...uh the nature of the emergency I know you said an engine out which one...uhh how many souls onboard and fuel.
    → no crew words within 5 s
  • 01:37:24.2eight ten declared emergency. N809TA
    → no crew words within 5 s
  • 01:40:11.0[sounds possibly similar to momentary stick shaker, approximately 1.8 seconds duration]
    → 0.2 s later: 01:40:11.2“(what's this?)”
  • 01:41:58.2five hundred. [electronic voice]
    → no crew words within 5 s
  • 01:41:59.5too low gear. [electronic voice]
    → no crew words within 5 s
  • 01:42:36.1too low gear. [electronic voice]
    → 1.3 s later: 01:42:37.4“just fly the...fly the airplane please.”
  • 01:42:37.8too low terrain. [electronic voice]
    → 2.9 s later: 01:42:40.7“uh two of us.”
  • 01:42:40.9too low gear. [electronic voice]
    → 4.3 s later: 01:42:45.2“do you have the airport?”
  • 01:42:43.7terrain terrain. [electronic voice]
    → 1.5 s later: 01:42:45.2“do you have the airport?”
  • 01:42:45.8pull up. [electronic voice]
    → 0.5 s later: 01:42:46.3“pull up we're low. [spoken urgently]”
  • 01:42:47.6pull up. [electronic voice]
    → 4.5 s later: 01:42:52.1“negative.”
  • 01:42:48.8pull up. [electronic voice]
    → 3.3 s later: 01:42:52.1“negative.”
  • 01:42:53.1and Rhoades Express eight ten low altitude alert... uh low TWR-B altitude alert...are you able to climb at all?
    → no crew words within 5 s
  • 01:43:08.6too low terrain. [electronic voice]
    → no crew words within 5 s
  • 01:43:11.1(three) hundred. [electronic voice]
    → no crew words within 5 s
  • 01:43:12.3too low gear. [electronic voice]
    → 4 s later: 01:43:16.3“roger you wanna—”
  • 01:43:46.7too low terrain. [electronic voice]
    → no crew words within 5 s
  • 01:43:48.7too low gear. [electronic voice]
    → no crew words within 5 s
  • 01:43:50.6too low gear. [electronic voice]
    → no crew words within 5 s
  • 01:43:55.2too low gear. [electronic voice]
    → 4.1 s later: 01:43:59.3“roger thank you...thank you very much 'preciate it.”
  • 01:44:06.8too low gear. [electronic voice]
    → 2.9 s later: 01:44:09.7“pull back please.”
  • 01:44:08.5too low terrain. [electronic voice]
    → 1.2 s later: 01:44:09.7“pull back please.”
  • 01:44:28.0[sound similar to stick shaker, approximately 1.7 seconds duration]
    → no crew words within 5 s
  • 01:44:33.9too low gear. [electronic voice]
    → 2.1 s later: 01:44:36.0“okay give me a heading.”
  • 01:44:35.9too low gear. [electronic voice]
    → 0.1 s later: 01:44:36.0“okay give me a heading.”
  • 01:44:37.8too low gear. [electronic voice]
    → no crew words within 5 s
  • 01:44:39.6too low gear. [electronic voice]
    → no crew words within 5 s
Questions between the pilots left unanswered
  • 00:39:14.4“*** actuator *** it's not that much *** (we're/he's) going to check the reservoir...top it up...and we'll write it up in the morning. are you okay with that?”
  • 00:48:53.9“and and then she (gets/just)...went on strike...complete strike...now she's not doing anything...you know and she stopped the checklist you know and she goes I'm not flying. and she just gave up...I was like @ [company pilot] what's wrong with you you know? this is very very immature you know this is...it's not right...you know I mean this is a joke...I...finish (this/the) checklist...no no no...I said finish the checklist. no? I said finish the god dang check list...you're going to finish the checklist...[chuckle]...no kidding...and then it turned into shouting and yelling you know?”
  • 00:51:44.0“and then we're comin' in...and she's comin' in low you know and I and I go ** low...and again I don't blame her too much but this is where I don't agree with her...we're coming in in the morning and the sun was in our face...you know...so I figured maybe she cannot see the the PAPI [precision approach path indicator] here...so she got below the PAPI and I told her you are low...and she goes I am not low...and I said you are low I say look at the glideslope (she said) *** glideslope...*...well I'm not using the glideslope...I'm using the the PAPI *** then get back on the PAPI you know?”
  • 01:11:28.9“yeah common sense you know?”
  • 01:15:28.3“uhh standard uhh takeoff procedures (see anything) below eighty knots be your call but we'll probably abort for anything between eighty and vee one again your call we'll probably abort for any fire engine failure loss of directional control windshear otherwise we'll be lookin' to fly...if we lose the engine at vee one we'll climb straight out to five hundred feet one point three D-M-E whichever comes first we'll start a right turn to two twenty up to eight hundred we'll level off we'll accelerate we'll clean up we'll coordinate A-T-C run the checklists as appropriate (if we shut the engine down) *** [unintelligible] fourteen thousand on the fuel...no A-C-Ms...** runway ***...flaps five eight right dry runway...uhh two oh one set speed are (one twenty six one twenty six one thirty two...uhh one forty/twenty seven)...you've got forty over * auto ** (normal/romeo) in the box...five point two (units) ** questions?”
  • 01:44:27.0“wanna go there?”
Standard callouts
Rotate / VrPositive rateGear upV1 · not in transcriptV2 · not in transcript1,000 ft · not in transcript500 ft · not in transcriptMinimums · not in transcriptGear down · not in transcriptRunway in sight · not in transcriptGo around · not in transcriptStabilized · not in transcript

“Not in transcript” never means “not said”: a line may be unintelligible, or the recording may not cover that phase.

Language, as counts
Speakerwordsquestionshedgesexclamationsexpletiveschecklistsnon-pertinent lines
Captain4,753281575075
First officer3,117172364046
Observer / jumpseat72400004

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00:39:14.4CACAM-1*** actuator *** it's not that much *** (we're/he's) going to check the reservoir...top it up...and we'll write it up in the morning. are you okay with that?p.10
00:39:34.8FOCAM-2yeah.p.10
00:39:37.1CACAM-1if you want to...(the airplane is) (out of) *.p.10
00:39:41.9FOCAM-2oh yeah (unless it's/that's) absolutely necessary.p.10
00:39:44.5CACAM-1yeah.p.10
00:39:47.0CAMCAM-?**p.10
00:39:51.6CACAM-1it's stuff like that...normal (day/way).p.10
00:39:54.3FOCAM-2what's that?p.11
00:39:55.1CACAM-1I said stuff like that it's normal considering how often this airplane's a running you know...gear up gear down gear up gear down.p.11
00:40:07.6FOCAM-2***.p.11
00:40:09.2◦CAM[sounds of switching]p.11
00:40:31.2FORDO-2hey good morning tower Rhoades Express eight ten juliet clearance to Hon— uh...Kahului please.p.11
00:40:53.1◦CAM[sounds of whistling]p.11
00:40:54.9◦CAM[sound similar to fire bell]p.11
00:40:55.8??Rhoades Express eight ten Honolulu tower cleared to TWR-A Kahului airport via PALAY three departure Lanai transition then as filed on departure fly heading one five five maintain five thousand expect uh one three thousand departure frequency one one eight point three squawk two one zero seven.p.11
00:41:12.5FORDO-2PALAY three then Lanai as filed climb maintain five thousand expect one three thousand heading one five five departure eighteen point three squawk two one zero seven Rhoades Express uhh eight ten thanks.p.12
00:41:28.0◦CAM[sound similar to fire bell]p.12
00:41:42.7??Rhoades Express eight ten readback is correct. TWR-Ap.12
00:41:46.8RDORDO-?[sound similar to double mic click]p.12
00:41:53.5FOCAM-2we're just gonna update a little bit so ***.p.12
00:41:57.5CAMCAM-?[unintelligible response with significant breathing noises]p.12
00:42:12.4HOTHOT-?[sounds of static]p.12
00:42:24.7HOTHOT-?[sounds of static, possibly consistent with oxygen mask test]p.12
00:42:29.7◦CAM[sound similar to fire bell]p.12
00:42:31.7◦CAM[sounds of switching/latching]p.12
00:43:31.7CACAM-1* ready (for * on/to go home).p.13
00:43:33.5FOCAM-2yep. ***.p.13
00:43:35.0CACAM-1what do you want to do *** (take first) (round trip/run)?p.13
00:43:38.8FOCAM-2sure.p.13
00:43:39.3CACAM-1combination *** or do you want to ***.p.13
00:43:41.1FOCAM-2sure that's fine.p.13
00:43:43.4CACAM-1(beautiful) (day/night/you'll be all right) ** I'll take the next one. okay.p.13
00:43:50.0CACAM-1***. yesterday the same (thing I do/guy who wouldn't want to) what do you want to do? ***.p.13
00:44:08.6FOCAM-2oh right.p.13
00:44:10.3CACAM-1and then when they got time...it would be uh...cockpit cockpit briefing and (it's decide) (who's) not flying. and if you agree...you know...you're going to do this right you did the cockpit briefing you know...and then she's like...I'm not flying anymore.p.14
00:44:32.1FOCAM-2right...is that because of the...uh winds?p.14
00:44:34.4CACAM-1yeah because of them...(@ [company pilot])...and I'm like @ [company pilot] you are flying you know? and I told her okay let's do the taxi checklist and she did all the stuff she didn't do the control check (I do) and I go what about the control check * she says I'm not doing it. ***. @ [company pilot].p.14
00:44:57.2FOCAM-2and she's not doin' it 'cause she's sayin' the book says you do it one time or something or what's her thought or...?p.14
00:45:02.2CACAM-1no (just the)...*** control check...control check...exactly like that...like this? like that. half way...half and left wing's it and stops it * and forward and I go no @ [company pilot] it's...you have to go all the way to the stop...all the way back...all the way to the left...all the way to the right hit the full stop. you know? she won't do that.p.14
00:45:33.1FOCAM-2why (does/did) she say no to that?p.14
00:45:35.9CACAM-1well...so now this is the thing...and @ @ [chief pilot] is the problem with this...I blame @ [chief pilot].p.15
00:45:42.6FOCAM-2really?p.15
00:45:43.2CACAM-1because...yeah I blame @ @ [chief pilot] says in our book...you don't have to do...the book doesn't s— @ [chief pilot] is * exactly what she's saying...* @ [company pilot] is saying in the book it doesn't say you-you have to do it all the way to...to the stop.p.15
00:45:58.5FOCAM-2like what book...the A-O-M?p.15
00:46:00.0CACAM-1that's where I'm going to look.p.15
00:46:01.2FOCAM-2oh yeah.p.15
00:46:02.2CACAM-1you know yeah...and I and I go I remember seeing that.p.15
00:46:05.4FOCAM-2[unintelligible overlapping response from the first officer]p.15
00:46:05.5CACAM-1** yeah the book says...don't slam it against the stop.p.15
00:46:11.3FOCAM-2yeah.p.16
00:46:11.8CACAM-1so if the book is saying don't slam it against the stop then that means the book is indirectly saying you should go all the way to the end.p.16
00:46:17.7FOCAM-2yeah just don't slam it.p.16
00:46:18.8CACAM-1don't slam it.p.16
00:46:20.1FOCAM-2yeah ***.p.16
00:46:21.7CACAM-1yeah...this is the way I am reading it and @ [chief pilot] is saying nooo...it’s it’s it's just sort of right you know...the book is it's so it's vague. no no I've read this whole manual you know it's been a while but I remember studying things (for this part) you know and I go you know I saw it somewhere you (just) don't slam it against the stop. you know I'm gonna I'm gonna take a picture of it and send it to @ [chief pilot].p.16
00:46:50.2FOCAM-2I think it's like path of least resistance...I think with her it's easier than saying * you know just kind of let her go but that emboldens her just to do more and more.p.16
00:46:59.6CACAM-1yeah.p.16
00:47:00.7FOCAM-2and now they've got a monster—p.17
00:47:01.6CACAM-1yep.p.17
00:47:01.8FOCAM-2—that they've created by not nipping this in the bud before.p.17
00:47:04.9CACAM-1exactly yep.p.17
00:47:07.2CACAM-1you know like ** everywhere I have been all the time this is the way you do flight control checks since day one... you know...you go all the way to the stops you can check complete movement and freedom of movement you can't do this until you check the flight controls.p.17
00:47:22.7FOCAM-2yeah it doesn't say...umm…p.17
00:47:25.4CACAM-1(you do them/you see it there/you see it then).p.17
00:47:27.1FOCAM-2…and this is flight controls check ailerons and elevators...and elevators...make slow deliberate inputs one direction at a time...verify freedom of movement...and controls return to center...I mean you can't—p.17
00:47:41.0CACAM-1yeah.p.18
00:47:41.3FOCAM-2—verify for freedom of movement by doin' that.p.18
00:47:43.5CACAM-1yeah...there's another column—p.18
00:47:45.0FOCAM-2somewhere else.p.18
00:47:45.8CACAM-1—yeah there is another um...another wording somewhere that talks about this...this stuff you know.p.18
00:47:52.6FOCAM-2hmm.p.18
00:47:53.1CACAM-1one of the books.p.18
00:47:56.0CACAM-1I have to find it and—p.18
00:47:57.3FOCAM-2yeah.p.18
00:47:57.9CACAM-1—bring it up to @ [chief pilot].p.18
00:47:59.7FOCAM-2but I mean regardless...you know that said check for freedom of movement...how can you do...this doesn't...it says check the ai-ailerons and the elevator for freedom of movement...you're you're not doin' that by doin' that.p.19
00:48:12.5CACAM-1no (way/brainer).p.19
00:48:13.4FOCAM-2right...that's what I'm saying.p.19
00:48:15.0FOCAM-2so it doesn't actually say to go all the way...it says to check...p.19
00:48:17.5CACAM-1yeahhh..but that's...p.19
00:48:19.3FOCAM-2ah that's just stupid.p.19
00:48:21.0CACAM-1you know and and she's hiding behind the book...you know I...there's something else...another one somewhere that says no slamming against the stop. ***.p.19
00:48:28.6FOCAM-2but you know...the book...so if she's saying the book doesn't say you have to do it all the way...it doesn't say you don't either.p.19
00:48:33.6CACAM-1(yeah exactly).p.20
00:48:35.8FOCAM-2so that's still an interpretation.p.20
00:48:37.1CACAM-1exactly.p.20
00:48:38.0FOCAM-2for her saying...it doesn't say one way or the other...it says...it doesn't say do it...doesn't say don't do it. so...p.20
00:48:42.1CACAM-1thank you thank you.p.20
00:48:44.7FOCAM-2then you rely on your private pilot one oh one your first flight—p.20
00:48:47.9CACAM-1exactly.p.20
00:48:48.8FOCAM-2—your introductory flight and you do it that way *.p.20
00:48:51.5CACAM-1there ya go...***.p.20
00:48:53.9CACAM-1and and then she (gets/just)...went on strike...complete strike...now she's not doing anything...you know and she stopped the checklist you know and she goes I'm not flying. and she just gave up...I was like @ [company pilot] what's wrong with you you know? this is very very immature you know this is...it's not right...you know I mean this is a joke...I...finish (this/the) checklist...no no no...I said finish the checklist. no? I said finish the god dang check list...you're going to finish the checklist...[chuckle]...no kidding...and then it turned into shouting and yelling you know?p.21
00:49:34.2FOCAM-2yeah...that's a safety issue...that's not good.p.21
00:49:36.4CACAM-1oooohhh man...if you were um...if you were like standing in the back in the jumpseat with a camera you'd be laughing man...you know...you'd be laughing and be yo-your your (purpose/focus) would be out of focus you know...you'd be cracking up...you are two little kids in the cockpit...you know...two little short brats with a fancy toy...she goes nah I'm not doing it...I'm not flying this flight...I go well you did all the briefing...you agreed you are going to fly...you are staying with that agreement...you are...but one time out of um...Maui...the same thing she's flying she did all the briefing and everything...and then we got on the runway...line up...A-T-C gave us the takeoff clearance...and I go by...the way don't forget it's one mile before the turn you know...and then she goes ugh...I'm not flying...***...she goes I'm not flying...we're cleared for takeoff and I say you have control meanwhile the airplane's inching forward and forward...we've been cleared for takeoff...you're not flying? we're cleared for takeoff. I'm not flying. okay I got it...and I do it.p.22
00:50:50.3FOCAM-2[laughing]p.22
00:50:51.9CACAM-1and @ [company pilot] why are you stressed out?p.22
00:50:53.2FOCAM-2** that's unbelievable.p.22
00:50:54.8CACAM-1oh yeah...you know...and I told @ [Director of Operations (DO)] she (knows about it) and what does he say...he goes ehhhh you know our book really...I said @ [DO] you sent the e-mails that we should go out one mile before making the turn for noise abatement...p.23
00:51:11.3FOCAM-2right right right.p.23
00:51:11.9CACAM-1don't turn over the houses.p.23
00:51:13.5FOCAM-2yeah.p.23
00:51:14.2CACAM-1and he goes...yeah we still have issues...p.23
00:51:16.7FOCAM-2yeah.p.23
00:51:17.2CACAM-1with the um...uhh I'll get back to you on the uhh...and I just walked out.p.23
00:51:26.2FOCAM-2that's the problem it's just very....p.23
00:51:28.9CACAM-1yeah.p.23
00:51:29.5FOCAM-2…wishy washy.p.24
00:51:30.1CACAM-1yeah...you know and I go...she went on strike on me...just striked out on me...you know she stopped flying...you know...*** and took off.p.24
00:51:44.0CACAM-1and then we're comin' in...and she's comin' in low you know and I and I go ** low...and again I don't blame her too much but this is where I don't agree with her...we're coming in in the morning and the sun was in our face...you know...so I figured maybe she cannot see the the PAPI [precision approach path indicator] here...so she got below the PAPI and I told her you are low...and she goes I am not low...and I said you are low I say look at the glideslope (she said) *** glideslope...*...well I'm not using the glideslope...I'm using the the PAPI *** then get back on the PAPI you know?p.24
00:52:20.7FOCAM-2[chuckle]p.24
00:52:21.3CACAM-1and then it turned into an argument and I go @ [company pilot] you know just...use the glideslope...use the glideslope...screw the PAPI...and she goes I'm not going to use the glideslope if I wanted to use the glideslope I would have briefed I- L-S you know...I said god # @ [company pilot] just just (add) the glideslope. [trails off into laughter] this is the way we work when I am with her you know you have to yell at her force her to do things you know...and then she got on the glideslope and...after we landed she said I don't like the way you talk to me I said I don't like the way you do things...you know...and she goes if I wanted to use the glideslope I would have briefed the I-L-S...this turned into one hour argument in the parking lot...you know after we landed...with @ [company pilot]...and I brought this up with @ [DO] I said look at what this girl is doing you know...what...and he was like ehhh yeah...the book the book is not really clear and...I said this is not the book this is common sense you know...she is being blinded by the sun...this is what I think...you know...and she could not stay on the PAPI...I told her use the glideslope...that is what we do when you don't see anything.p.25
00:53:39.3FOCAM-2yeah.p.25
00:53:40.9CACAM-1you know and she's refusing to do that *** the PAPI *** and she's arguing that she's (right) *** and she's not going to ***...I go you're driving me crazy...you know either way *** @ [company pilot] you need to change your ways.p.26
00:54:04.1FOCAM-2no and that just enables her to keep pushing and pushing and pushing and pushing 'cause nobody's telling her to stop.p.26
00:54:10.1CACAM-1exactly that is the thing.p.26
00:54:12.7FOCAM-2but then this is the result of that now you have a flight to go...two flights that don't leave because you have this thing now it's gonna cost...might cost some extra money...you know...I heard the boss calling @ [chief pilot] you know and now he's jumping up and down 'cause the flight's going out late and so @ [owner] got a phone call and that's why they have a meeting with her so...p.26
00:54:30.2CACAM-1yeah.p.26
00:54:33.1FOCAM-2no I don't think they're going to be too sympathetic to....her not wanting to...you know comin' back with you on * and that's not a good reason.p.26
00:54:42.3CACAM-1if she says she doesn't want to fly with me that's fine I understand...uhh...p.27
00:54:46.7FOCAM-2yeah **.p.27
00:54:47.4CACAM-1I mean I am demanding...you know...um...she has to do what she has to do and and...I— I don't touch this * I said yeah that's true if she doesn't want to do what I want then it's gonna be an issue...definitely...you know?p.27
00:55:07.4FOCAM-2oh this is what you were saying...do not slam the flight controls—p.27
00:55:10.5CACAM-1yeah this is what I am saying.p.27
00:55:11.8FOCAM-2—against the stops ***.p.27
00:55:13.0CACAM-1yeah.p.27
00:55:14.3FOCAM-2so I mean she's reading that saying...so it does not say go all the way to the stops.p.27
00:55:21.0CACAM-1yeah but this where if it says do not slam against the flight controls...well why would it say that if you're not going all the way out to get to the uhh...stops.p.28
00:55:31.5FOCAM-2yeah it doesn't say don't don't take it to the stops...it just says don't slam it.p.28
00:55:34.6CACAM-1don't slam it...it's very...p.28
00:55:36.0FOCAM-2to the stops...so...p.28
00:55:36.9CACAM-1yeah...(so/no) don't go boom.p.28
00:55:39.5FOCAM-2but I mean...it doesn't it doesn't support her either.p.28
00:55:43.1CACAM-1no no it doesn't support her.p.28
00:55:44.6FOCAM-2'cause it doesn't say don't do it...it just doesn't very clearly say to do it...but it suggests that you should do it cause otherwise how do you check the freedom of movement...make slow deliberate inputs...one direction at a time so...this isn't a slow deliberate input...like that...I mean slow deliberate—p.28
00:56:05.6CACAM-1no I mean—p.28
00:56:07.5CACAM-1yeah you gotta go all...all the way...all the way and all the way...um...p.29
00:56:09.0FOCAM-2(like here).p.29
00:56:12.3FOCAM-2but I mean she doesn't have to—p.29
00:56:13.1CACAM-1my interpretation of this and tell me if I am wrong...my interpretation of this is go all the way but don't slam it.p.29
00:56:15.3FOCAM-2yeah.p.29
00:56:20.7FOCAM-2don't slam it yeah yeah.p.29
00:56:21.6CACAM-1yeah. **.p.29
00:56:22.7FOCAM-2'cause if the point was don't go to the stops it would just say don't go to the stops.p.29
00:56:27.1CACAM-1exactly then then **.p.29
00:56:28.5FOCAM-2it doesn't say don't go to the stops...it says don't slam it.p.29
00:56:30.4CACAM-1don't slam it against— exactly.p.30
00:56:31.5FOCAM-2which sounds like...go to the stops just...p.30
00:56:33.7CACAM-1go to the stops but don't slam it.p.30
00:56:35.7FOCAM-2and then...which kinda follows this slow and deliberate inputs.p.30
00:56:39.9CACAM-1exactly.p.30
00:56:40.8FOCAM-2which is not slamming it.p.30
00:56:42.2CACAM-1exactly...this is what I want to take a picture of and send @ [chief pilot].p.30
00:56:45.1FOCAM-2and send it...p.30
00:56:45.8CACAM-1you know see @ [chief pilot] read only this...the first one we read.p.30
00:56:49.7FOCAM-2oh actually it was the same one the note was right above it I didn't notice it.p.30
00:56:53.1CACAM-1oh okay.p.31
00:56:53.6FOCAM-2this is * it's all the same one so he must (not) have seen that but even so I mean so I mean she could say look it does not say do it all the way but if you read all of this literally there's probably a lot of stuff that we do that it doesn't say...literally—p.31
00:57:08.2CACAM-1yeah.p.31
00:57:08.5FOCAM-2—and then use common sense to ***.p.31
00:57:10.4CACAM-1that's what I said I said @ [company pilot] it's common sense...@ [company pilot] do you need a book to get from here to your home? you know when when you're going home you take a book and...she goes no I can do the same thing you know the same thing.p.31
00:57:24.4OBCAM-3hello.p.31
00:57:26.0CACAM-1hi how are you doing (@ [ground crew])?p.31
00:57:27.1OBCAM-3okay how are you...oh you know my name.p.31
00:57:29.9CACAM-1oh I've known your name for a long time.p.31
00:57:32.0OBCAM-3oh *.p.32
00:57:32.8CACAM-1oh you think you're hiding your face under there.p.32
00:57:34.5OBCAM-3[chuckle]...I have a *...can you sign my load form please?p.32
00:57:38.7CACAM-1that'll be two dollars...one for him one for me.p.32
00:57:40.4OBCAM-3*.p.32
00:57:41.7CACAM-1or three dollars one for you one for ** you know.p.32
00:57:43.8OBCAM-3[chuckle] it's all uh consumer commodities gonna be right here good to go.p.32
00:57:49.8CACAM-1oh and it's all listed (right/yeah/man)...okay let's see...***. [unintelligible]p.32
00:58:00.9CACAM-1***.p.32
00:58:02.2OBCAM-3no I don't (mind).p.32
00:58:03.5CACAM-1thank you.p.33
00:58:04.2OBCAM-3you're welcome.p.33
00:58:05.6OBCAM-3thank you very much.p.33
00:58:06.5CACAM-1all right thank you see ya.p.33
00:58:14.7FOCAM-2sorry I was gonna hold ***.p.33
00:58:15.5OBCAM-3no that's okay.p.33
00:58:17.0◦CAM[unintelligible conversation between FO and ground crew]p.33
00:58:25.2◦CAM[sounds of thunking]p.33
00:58:33.1FOCAM-2thank you so much.p.33
00:58:36.4◦CAM[sounds of thunking]p.33
00:58:44.7FOCAM-2that's not good judgement though…I mean and if it's not clear...why wouldn't you err on the side of safety?p.33
00:58:50.4CACAM-1exactly...***...no she's just ** she's just **.p.34
00:58:55.0FOCAM-2yeah.p.34
00:58:56.8CACAM-1like ** she's always looking for whatever she can jump on for drama you know.p.34
00:59:02.1FOCAM-2yeah.p.34
00:59:02.3CACAM-1yeah and she saw that she goes yeah...jump on it.p.34
00:59:05.8FOCAM-2well I think that's gonna be the end of it cause she doesn't...hello...good morning.p.34
00:59:10.8CAMCAM-?hi.p.34
00:59:13.7CACAM-1yeah.p.34
00:59:14.8FOCAM-2if she doesn't get fired I'm sure they're gonna make the point like she's gotta knock it off...'cause now that @’s [owner] involved I'm sure...here I mean so @ [DO] can say ohhh well you know you know @ [owner] can say # you know you know I need you to fly the airplanes or you're out.p.34
00:59:29.9CACAM-1I hope so yeah...something has to be done...p.35
00:59:33.5FOCAM-2yeah.p.35
00:59:34.2CACAM-1you have to deal with her. ***...you know...p.35
00:59:36.9FOCAM-2I think last night was (quite/probably) over the line you know when you have to come back and now flights are late because of this...you know—p.35
00:59:43.7CACAM-1yeah.p.35
00:59:44.3FOCAM-2—pissing contest.p.35
00:59:45.7CACAM-1it is it is you're right.p.35
00:59:46.7FOCAM-2but that's on her ‘cause she's the first officer she's supposed to say okay if that's what you want I disagree that's not what the book says but if that's what you want that's what I'll do.p.35
00:59:55.7CACAM-1I agree.p.35
00:59:56.3FOCAM-2and we can talk about it later.p.35
00:59:56.7◦CAM[overlapping conversation]p.36
00:59:57.3FOCAM-2now it's a safety issue. I feel unsafe now...of course that doesn't make me feel unsafe.p.36
01:00:01.5CACAM-1[chuckle]p.36
01:00:02.4FOCAM-2we can talk about it later but you're...we're a team—p.36
01:00:04.5CACAM-1[groan]p.36
01:00:05.3FOCAM-2—and you're the team leader and if that's what you want that's what we'll do...whether I agree with it or not...and that's that should have been the end of it.p.36
01:00:11.8CACAM-1no she got so upset...she goes turn around take (me/it) back to the ramp I'm not going...I— I don't I say (@ [company pilot]/like) if you wanna go back to the ramp...you taxi the airplane...tell A-T-C you're going back to the ramp.p.36
01:00:23.2FOCAM-2so you guys actually came back?p.36
01:00:24.5CACAM-1no we didn't.p.36
01:00:25.4FOCAM-2oh okay.p.37
01:00:25.9CACAM-1I was like we're not gonna bring the cargo back.p.37
01:00:27.3FOCAM-2***. [overlapping response]p.37
01:00:29.4CACAM-1yeah I was like...not gonna bring the cargo back...you know...p.37
01:00:32.6FOCAM-2mhm.p.37
01:00:32.9CACAM-1if you want to...you you take the airplane...you have to pretty much take the airplane to the (ramp) and turn it around...and and you tell A-T-C you're going back...or better yet open the window and jump out...you know.p.37
01:00:47.3CACAM-1oh maybe it was.p.37
01:00:48.5FOCAM-2so then so what...when she got back then she walked off the job?p.37
01:00:51.2CACAM-1no so we took off and we went to Maui and then she uhh...sent a text to @ [chief pilot] that she's not doing the next flight and that she wanna get off...something to that effect...you know and @ [chief pilot] is like okay we'll have to change F-O...@ [chief pilot] called me and said @’s [company pilot] complaining about you...she doesn't want to fly with you...so when you get back...go as fast as possible...and pick up @ [company pilot]...and he…and she is gonna fly with um...what's his name with—p.38
01:01:21.6FOCAM-2@ [company pilot].p.38
01:01:21.9CACAM-1—@ [company pilot] yeah...so them guys were @ [company pilot] and @ [company pilot] were flying they were paired together and they were ready to leave but then they had to take the delay and wait for us to come from Maui.p.38
01:01:32.2FOCAM-2oh that's why they were late.p.38
01:01:33.6CACAM-1yeah.p.38
01:01:34.2FOCAM-2***.p.38
01:01:35.5CACAM-1they had to wait for us to come.p.38
01:01:37.3FOCAM-2yeah well that's not good.p.39
01:01:38.2CACAM-1yeah.p.39
01:01:38.6FOCAM-2I mean that that sounds like that's probably the right decision in the moment...you know just to like get stuff out.p.39
01:01:44.4CACAM-1yeah. ***.p.39
01:01:45.0FOCAM-2but but it shouldn't have been ***.p.39
01:01:48.8CACAM-1but that was really the *** to be * okay...p.39
01:01:51.4FOCAM-2yeah.p.39
01:01:52.5CACAM-1but she was not ready to comply with me...there's no way she's gonna do this...you know...p.39
01:01:59.1FOCAM-2but how I mean how can you justify that @ [DO] ya know maybe says ehh you know the book...with @ [owner] that's not gonna fly...and I don't even know him but I mean the little that I do...p.39
01:02:08.5CACAM-1he's looking at the bottom line...it's his money you know...p.40
01:02:11.6FOCAM-2if we lose a contract 'cause she doesn't want to...she's in a pissing contest about that...p.40
01:02:14.0CACAM-1yep.p.40
01:02:16.1FOCAM-2she doesn't wanna do that...then she's not gonna ***.p.40
01:02:20.5CACAM-1she doesn't want me telling her anything...period.p.40
01:02:23.3FOCAM-2well then...# upgrade and be a captain somewhere you know but you got the wrong attitude to do it... to be a captain.p.40
01:02:29.9CACAM-1yeah yeah.p.40
01:02:30.8FOCAM-2you know while you're staying here that's part of the job.p.40
01:02:35.9CACAM-1you know...you talk...to @ [company pilot] and another thing @ [chief pilot] (accused/excuse) me @ [chief pilot] is like if she doesn't want to do— you know just do it...you know umm...you don't have to butt heads to do it...I go @ [chief pilot]...you know when things don't go right...you are the one who calls...and you call me and you chew me up...you know. so if some the guys are doing something that I'm not comfortable with it is not going to fly I'm not going to let it happen...he says well...and he goes well but ** you know...I don't know *** figure out ***. my job is to get the freight from point A to point B on time...safely...you know...and and umm I'm dealing with somebody who has thinks what she wants how she wants if she wants...you know and I'm depending on her but now she's not dependable.p.41
01:03:36.6FOCAM-2but that's that's a whole C-R-M stuff right?p.41
01:03:39.0CACAM-1no that's not C-R-M.p.41
01:03:40.7FOCAM-2no I mean C-R-M is like dependent on the captain now thinking he's got and recognizing some of the team but is also relying on the subordinate of the team recognizing he is the subordinate and he you know is not the leader and is not is not sitting in the seat so...p.41
01:03:58.9CACAM-1I think if you were sitting here in the jumpseat you can write a book...a big book you know...each time I fly with her [laugh].p.42
01:04:05.9FOCAM-2but I think the the saving grace for you though is uhh nobody complains about you...I mean nobody says that kind of stuff about you...except her. right I mean people grumble about you know engines and oil temperatures and that kind of stuff but I mean that's true for everybody but but nobody says stuff like that about you nobody says I don't wanna fly with @ [captain]...I hear everybody talks about everyone I always...I hear 'em...and I don't hear about you...only thing I hear about you is oh he's very he's very slow and deliberate about everything I say well yeah that's kind of the job...you know...you run...he runs the checklists...yeahhh...what's [chuckle]…p.42
01:04:43.8CACAM-1most people don't run the checklists (eh/huh).p.42
01:04:46.1FOCAM-2well I mean you're very methodical about the checklists.p.42
01:04:47.7◦CAM[sound of clank]p.42
01:04:48.8◦CAM[sound of person shouting in background]p.42
01:04:49.3CACAM-1*** but that's part of the job you know...p.43
01:04:51.5FOCAM-2but I mean that's the worst thing people say about you is that...that you're very methodical.p.43
01:04:54.1CACAM-1* slow.p.43
01:04:56.3FOCAM-2not so much slow maybe that's ...but it's like you're methodical you're…but that's...it's not like let's just rush to get out and we'll do checklists on the as we're…p.43
01:05:04.6CACAM-1no I hadn't even thought about that * me.p.43
01:05:07.4CACAM-1he's the cowboy.p.43
01:05:08.5FOCAM-2yeah.p.43
01:05:09.1FOCAM-2so you're the opposite of that...but if that's the worst thing somebody can say about you that's not bad...but nobody says like I don't wanna fly with him...you know.p.43
01:05:17.3CACAM-1yeah I hope they see it like that you know...@ [chief pilot] doesn't catch me slacking off okay...so you know…so...one time I almost told him you know umm...that's that's okay I'm not coming in tonight I am done...I came this close to telling him that...and I guess he figured it out it you know ... *** ... you know...he doesn't cut me much slack...you know...he's always on my case...all of the little things you know...and even this **...hey man…p.44
01:05:51.6◦CAM[sound of clang]p.44
01:05:52.5CACAM-1the * *.p.44
01:05:54.0FOCAM-2* except she's not flying tonight and you are...I mean she's got a meeting with the boss you don't so...p.44
01:06:01.9CACAM-1she's meeting with @ [owner]?p.44
01:06:02.9FOCAM-2that's what I heard I dunno how accurate that is but she has a meeting today is what I heard with him and probably @ [DO] and @ [chief pilot] ...so I don't know if that's true.p.44
01:06:11.1CACAM-1I— I— I don't think they've written her up **.p.44
01:06:13.2FOCAM-2but I mean they can track the schedule so something is...*** meeting....you know and they say you're off the schedule **...and it's probably because you know @ [DO] can say well you know I understand that when... when stuff goes out late and it threatens a contract we have or affects the bottom line—p.45
01:06:32.5◦CAM[sounds of several loud clanks]p.45
01:06:33.5FOCAM-2—there's losses involved...and he's not gonna care about what the book says.p.45
01:06:37.2CACAM-1yeah that may be ** and right now @ [chief pilot] wants me to take a picture of that page and send it to him.p.45
01:06:41.7FOCAM-2I just sent it to you.p.45
01:06:43.4CACAM-1oh you just sent it okay *.p.45
01:06:44.4FOCAM-2over to you yeah.p.45
01:06:47.7◦CAM[various sounds of background loading]p.45
01:06:48.8FOCAM-2yeah well you know I'm...one of the things @ [DO] has me doing is rewriting the manuals...so I'll ask him about that...so I'll rewrite that—p.46
01:06:55.0CAMCAM-?***.p.46
01:06:57.3CACAM-1yeah.p.46
01:06:57.9FOCAM-2—and say you know per your private pilot training when you check flight controls all the way to the stops don't slam it...all the way to the stops.p.46
01:07:01.8CACAM-1[chuckle]p.46
01:07:05.7CACAM-1yeah all the way to the stops. deliberate.p.46
01:07:08.4FOCAM-2and then...p.46
01:07:12.1CACAM-1all the way...p.46
01:07:12.7FOCAM-2I mean I fly...everyone I've flown with no one has ever said oh why are you doing that? why are you...you know...comin' back so far? and I cause I always when I come back I always watch...'cause I wanna...and if I turn—p.46
01:07:22.9CACAM-1yeah. —I wanna make sure I don't hit em or something **— 0107:23.4 CAM-2p.47
01:07:24.5CACAM-1yeah in the belly yeah yeah.p.47
01:07:26.5FOCAM-2—*** and I'd always do that...so like they're expecting it to come back...I mean that's just...that's...p.47
01:07:29.3◦CAM[unidentified background conversation]p.47
01:07:32.3CACAM-1yeah.p.47
01:07:33.9FOCAM-2apparently not just me but everybody does that...that's just how it is.p.47
01:07:35.7CACAM-1no no I would just do...real quick you know...and it's done.p.47
01:07:40.2FOCAM-2@ [company pilot] was saying umm and I hadn't heard this before that one on one of the flights...the maintenance they were working on something and left the rag like in the tail or something.p.47
01:07:50.0CACAM-1yeah yeah yeah.p.48
01:07:50.6FOCAM-2*** and so the flight crew when they did this it didn't go..or it didn't go somewhere.p.48
01:07:57.3CACAM-1when they did a control check?p.48
01:07:58.1FOCAM-2yeah and they came back and they looked and and the cables were bound...this rag got wrapped I mean...so...and that's why you do this...and if you'd done this it might not have caught that.p.48
01:08:08.2CACAM-1you know one time we were taking off from New York in the middle of the winter and the airplane ** one night during the night as the temperature was coming down it was raining was turning to freezing rain * and the temperature went real low...so there was frozen ice hard frozen ice all over the airplane...and in the morning we were supposed to take one airplane but that airplane had a maintenance 'cause they broke the pin...you know...all the airplanes were all frozen but that one had been de-iced...*** there were some issues *** go get us another airplane...this was a dash eight...and the guys came...and they de-iced the airplane...everything was like in a rush...***...you know...***...they did just the wing and the fuselage...they forgot all about the tail and they went to another airplane 'cause they were busy...we pushed back got passengers in and all that. and the F-O was his job to check the flight controls you know...and I could have missed it ** I do it myself too you know...** cause I didn't I didn't watch...and I don't even know if he checked...according to him he checked. that's obvious cause you have to * for takeoff ** you know...p.49
01:09:38.7FOCAM-2it physically wouldn't come back.p.49
01:09:39.7CACAM-1the thing was frozen solid...you know I was like...he was like...vee one rotate…p.49
01:09:46.8CAMCAM-?[straining noise]p.49
01:09:47.6FOCAM-2** tail.p.50
01:09:49.2CACAM-1no something is wrong you know.p.50
01:09:51.6FOCAM-2well good thing you found out before you left the ground I mean.p.50
01:09:54.3CACAM-1yeah.p.50
01:09:54.7FOCAM-2or the airplane ***.p.50
01:09:56.1◦CAM[background shouting]p.50
01:09:56.6CACAM-1and the thing too is the dash eight the props are very powerful...only **. [overlapping electronic bleedover tone]p.50
01:10:04.2CACAM-1so we were able to stop.... so what we did so we taxied back the * called maintenance *** so they were doing the inspection and one guy said hey guys do you wanna come see something we went up there...oh the whole tail was iced up it was like uhh Greenland you know with ice [chuckle].p.50
01:10:28.4FOCAM-2well not even just the flight controls the tail prolly wasn't gonna fly...wow.p.51
01:10:29.8CACAM-1***. [overlapping conversation]p.51
01:10:33.5CACAM-1frozen solid.p.51
01:10:35.5FOCAM-2I wonder how the ground crew ***. [overlapping conversation]p.51
01:10:35.5CACAM-1and I asked the first officer so you didn't do the flight control check and he's like I— I thought I did.p.51
01:10:47.2CACAM-1you know and I—p.51
01:10:47.9FOCAM-2that's why that's why you're methodical and deliberate on checklists to make sure you don't forget stuff like that.p.51
01:10:51.9CACAM-1yeah.p.51
01:10:54.5CACAM-1so many traps you know.p.51
01:10:55.4FOCAM-2yeah yeah well yeah.p.51
01:10:57.7CACAM-1you know and I don't blame him because because we swapped airplanes he was rushing through everything you know we were rushing we had to brief...the flight attendants had to the preparation real quick in the back and board the passengers...** oh man.p.52
01:11:15.0FOCAM-2well you're lucky you lived to tell that story.p.52
01:11:17.8CACAM-1yeah.p.52
01:11:18.7FOCAM-2it could have been very dangerous yeah.p.52
01:11:20.2CACAM-1yeah and I'm telling her you know it's very important she says ** book ** it's in the book and I say screw the book you know...p.52
01:11:23.5??altimeter three zero zero four…landing and departing ATIS runways four and eight…expect I-L-S or visual approach...(LAHSO in effect)…advise approach on one one eight point three or one one niner point one if unable to hold short…taxiway golf closed between taxiway alpha and (interisland) ramp…multiple taxiway hold position signs and edge lights out of service…readback all control instructions…increased birdstrike hazard all runways…numerous cranes in the vicinity…Honolulu airport check NOTAM for additional information…AIR-MET tango update when valid…advise on initial contact you have information kilo. Honolulu International Airport A-TIS information kilo…one zero five three zulu…wind zero six zero at one three…visibility one zero…few clouds at two thousand five hundred…four thousand five hundred scattered…temperature two six…dewpoint one eight…altimeter three zero zero four…landing and departing runways four and eight…expect I-L-S or visual approach…***…advise approach on one one eight point three or one one niner point one if unable to hold short…taxiway golf closed between taxiway alpha and ** ramp…multiple taxiway hold position signs and edge lights out of service…readback all control instructions…increased birdstrike hazard all runways…numerous cranes in the vicinity…Honolulu airport check NOTAM for additional information…AIR-MET tango update when valid…advise on initial contact you have information kilo. [ATIS plays continuously in the background for ~6 minutes]p.53
01:11:27.3FOCAM-2common sense.p.53
01:11:28.9CACAM-1yeah common sense you know?p.54
01:11:34.8CACAM-1yeah well I hope she doesn't get fired...I hope they talk to her and she changes her ways.p.54
01:11:41.2FOCAM-2yeah that'll prolly happen I think they'll tell her this is it you know you're on thin ice...I hope I dunno...p.54
01:11:47.5CACAM-1no that ** she's a good pilot she flies good.p.54
01:11:50.6FOCAM-2does she?p.54
01:11:51.3CACAM-1yeah that that I give to her but common sense is not there...you cannot tell her what to do...you know... lately her ego has become very big it's getting bigger and bigger you know...and I told @ [DO] hey I go ** her fly...he goes she is getting set in her ways.p.54
01:12:13.1FOCAM-2well that makes her dangerous I mean to have this kind of an environment.p.54
01:12:16.4CACAM-1yeah it's not *.p.54
01:12:17.3FOCAM-2***.p.54
01:12:18.4CACAM-1it's not the best.p.55
01:12:19.2FOCAM-2and that's within her control...you know I mean maybe some people don't have a lot of common sense sure okay there's not anything you can do about that I suppose but I mean you can control your behavior...and your actions and your conduct and how you choose to relate to...react to a situation you know ***.p.55
01:12:37.1CACAM-1yeah ***.p.55
01:12:41.4FOCAM-2well...I mean fortunately you're not the only one...everybody..everybody complains about her and she complains about almost everybody...so I mean...**—p.55
01:12:50.6CACAM-1she's the problem.p.55
01:12:51.1FOCAM-2she's a problem yeah.p.55
01:12:52.4FOCAM-2* nobody else...p.55
01:12:55.3CACAM-1see I hope ***.p.55
01:12:55.7FOCAM-2nobody else is complaining about you or about the other...you know people grumble sometimes about this captain or that captain...but…p.56
01:13:02.0CACAM-1oh she wrote me up...** she wrote me up. [overlapping conversation]p.56
01:13:04.5FOCAM-2***. [overlapping conversation]p.56
01:13:09.5CACAM-1you know and my interpretation is that she got off the flight (but @ [chief pilot]) ***.p.56
01:13:22.2CACAM-1I was like yeah they told me you would fly with @ [company pilot] *** talk * @ [company pilot]...***...I dunno...p.56
01:13:40.6FOCAM-2*** they let that go they let that go and then this is what happens.p.56
01:13:44.5CACAM-1yeah so...p.56
01:13:47.0FOCAM-2if @ [owner] really is like having a meeting with her then that should be the end of it...that or she will get fired next time...I mean if there is a next time...I dunno.p.56
01:14:01.2FOCAM-2all right.p.57
01:14:10.5CACAM-1it's uhhh...what kind of a checklist we have to run a checklist.p.57
01:14:16.9FOCAM-2uh takeoff briefing taxi route umm...charlie romeo tango romeo alpha romeo bravo may hold short of four right approach. I'll fly checklist usage standard procedures ***...callouts...EPR will be two oh one * (charts)...uhh...at one thousand it's one seventy nine.p.57
01:14:35.2CACAM-1one seventy nine here?p.57
01:14:36.7FOCAM-2no no sorry two oh one now and at a thousand feet it's one seventy nine.p.57
01:14:40.0CACAM-1oh for the climb EPR.p.57
01:14:41.8FOCAM-2one seventy nine go around is one ninety eight.p.57
01:14:45.0◦CAM[sounds of latching]p.57
01:15:12.4FOCAM-2(yeah zero four). [commenting on ATIS]p.57
01:15:16.5FOCAM-2uhh so initial heading is the standard clearance one fifty fife on the heading up to five thousand.p.58
01:15:21.9CACAM-1*.p.58
01:15:22.6FOCAM-2expecting thirteen thousand departure's eighteen point three and the code is in the box.p.58
01:15:27.7CAMCAM-?*.p.58
01:15:28.3FOCAM-2uhh standard uhh takeoff procedures (see anything) below eighty knots be your call but we'll probably abort for anything between eighty and vee one again your call we'll probably abort for any fire engine failure loss of directional control windshear otherwise we'll be lookin' to fly...if we lose the engine at vee one we'll climb straight out to five hundred feet one point three D-M-E whichever comes first we'll start a right turn to two twenty up to eight hundred we'll level off we'll accelerate we'll clean up we'll coordinate A-T-C run the checklists as appropriate (if we shut the engine down) *** [unintelligible] fourteen thousand on the fuel...no A-C-Ms...** runway ***...flaps five eight right dry runway...uhh two oh one set speed are (one twenty six one twenty six one thirty two...uhh one forty/twenty seven)...you've got forty over * auto ** (normal/romeo) in the box...five point two (units) ** questions?p.58
01:16:25.0CACAM-1no (negative) questions.p.59
01:16:28.7CACAM-1kay.p.59
01:16:41.8FOCAM-2do you need a pen?p.59
01:16:43.4CACAM-1no...there's ink in there.p.59
01:16:46.1FOCAM-2umm.p.59
01:16:47.9CACAM-1it's (being lazy).p.59
01:16:55.8FOCAM-2it's ***.p.59
01:17:34.1OBCAM-3kay?p.59
01:17:35.2CACAM-1(yep/here)...thank you.p.59
01:17:38.6FOCAM-2thank you.p.59
01:17:41.2CAMCAM-4okayyyyy...all right @ [captain]?p.59
01:17:45.4CACAM-1*.p.60
01:17:45.7CAMCAM-4cargo is secure nets in place and do you want the light off or on?p.60
01:17:50.1CACAM-1uhh leave it on.p.60
01:17:51.1CAMCAM-4okay.p.60
01:17:51.8CACAM-1yeah...this is * a pen gift for you...sometimes it writes sometimes it doesn't.p.60
01:17:58.0CAMCAM-4oh haha.p.60
01:17:58.9◦CAM[collective laughing]p.60
01:18:01.9CACAM-1oh man.p.60
01:18:46.1CAMCAM-?(everything's) secured…p.60
01:18:48.6CACAM-1okay.p.60
01:18:50.0CACAM-1when you get the chance...(**/I'm all ears).p.60
01:18:51.6FOCAM-2before start checklist cockpit preparation...p.61
01:18:53.5CACAM-1complete.p.61
01:18:53.9FOCAM-2complete. logbook.p.61
01:18:54.6CACAM-1checked.p.61
01:18:54.9FOCAM-2lights test.p.61
01:18:55.6CACAM-1checked.p.61
01:18:55.8FOCAM-2oxygen masks intercom.p.61
01:18:57.0CACAM-1checked.p.61
01:18:57.3FOCAM-2checked. gear pins are on board. emergency exit lights.p.61
01:18:59.3CACAM-1armed.p.61
01:18:59.6FOCAM-2C-V-R.p.61
01:19:00.2CACAM-1tested.p.62
01:19:00.6FOCAM-2yaw damper.p.62
01:19:01.1CACAM-1on.p.62
01:19:01.6FOCAM-2fuel quantity.p.62
01:19:02.7CACAM-1***.p.62
01:19:03.6FOCAM-2fourteen thousand five hundred. fuel pumps.p.62
01:19:05.0CACAM-1are on.p.62
01:19:05.6FOCAM-2uh anti-ice.p.62
01:19:06.5CACAM-1off.p.62
01:19:07.1FOCAM-2uh ground interconnect.p.62
01:19:08.1CACAM-1closed.p.62
01:19:08.5FOCAM-2hydraulic pumps.p.63
01:19:09.3CACAM-1on.p.63
01:19:09.8FOCAM-2pressurization.p.63
01:19:10.7CACAM-1set. ground.p.63
01:19:11.8FOCAM-2uh H-S-I select...p.63
01:19:12.8CACAM-1NAV.p.63
01:19:13.0FOCAM-2uhh NAV. instruments and bugs.p.63
01:19:15.0CACAM-1set. crosschecked.p.63
01:19:16.4FOCAM-2auto brake.p.63
01:19:17.6CACAM-1don't have it.p.63
01:19:18.5FOCAM-2oil quantity.p.63
01:19:19.6CACAM-1checked.p.64
01:19:20.2FOCAM-2transponder radar.p.64
01:19:20.9CACAM-1uhh standby.p.64
01:19:22.0FOCAM-2nav coms.p.64
01:19:24.9CACAM-1set.p.64
01:19:25.6FOCAM-2speedbrake.p.64
01:19:26.4CACAM-1down detent.p.64
01:19:27.2FOCAM-2stabilizer trim switches.p.64
01:19:28.0CACAM-1normal.p.64
01:19:28.5FOCAM-2rudder aileron trim.p.64
01:19:29.2CACAM-1free and zero.p.64
01:19:29.7FOCAM-2papers.p.65
01:19:30.2CACAM-1onboard.p.65
01:19:30.6FOCAM-2departure briefing.p.65
01:19:31.3CACAM-1complete.p.65
01:19:31.8FOCAM-2parking brake.p.65
01:19:32.2CACAM-1set.p.65
01:19:32.9FOCAM-2and before start checklist complete.p.65
01:19:41.6CACAM-1engine start checklist.p.65
01:19:43.2FOCAM-2engine start checklist. tail stand.p.65
01:19:44.1CACAM-1removed.p.65
01:19:44.6FOCAM-2cargo.p.65
01:19:44.9CACAM-1secured.p.66
01:19:45.4FOCAM-2doors and windows.p.66
01:19:46.2CACAM-1clooooosed and locked.p.66
01:19:47.5FOCAM-2seatbelts.p.66
01:19:48.1CACAM-1on.p.66
01:19:48.4FOCAM-2on. anti-collision lights.p.66
01:19:49.7CACAM-1on.p.66
01:19:50.2FOCAM-2packs.p.66
01:19:50.9CACAM-1off.p.66
01:19:51.6FOCAM-2start pressure.p.66
01:19:53.7CACAM-1***.p.66
01:19:55.2FOCAM-2** checklist and I'm sorry ***. [unintelligible conversation relating to engine start]p.67
01:20:01.1FOCAM-2engine start checklist complete and clear right.p.67
01:20:03.0CACAM-1clear right.p.67
01:20:15.5CACAM-1(no questions/oil pressure).p.67
01:20:32.5◦CAM[bleedover sound of igniters]p.67
01:20:36.0◦CAM[increase in ambient noise consistent with engine start]p.67
01:20:45.7FOCAM-2start valve closed.p.67
01:20:47.3CACAM-1rog'.p.67
01:20:58.0CACAM-1green green green.p.67
01:21:00.1CAMCAM-?*** zero.p.67
01:21:06.2CACAM-1go ahead start one.p.67
01:21:14.6FOCAM-2oil pressure.p.68
01:21:19.3CAMCAM-?*.p.68
01:21:30.9◦CAM[bleedover sound of igniters]p.68
01:21:43.1FOCAM-2and start valve closed.p.68
01:21:45.2CACAM-1start valve closed.p.68
01:21:57.6CACAM-1okay.p.68
01:21:59.7CACAM-1I'm gonna send this to @ [chief pilot]...oh you sent it to him already.p.68
01:22:02.9FOCAM-2no no I sent it to you.p.68
01:22:04.4CACAM-1all right I'll send it to @ [chief pilot].p.68
01:22:07.7CACAM-1'cause I told him you know I read somewhere you know that you (reference) to the stops ***.p.68
01:22:13.9FOCAM-2yeah.p.68
01:22:15.6CACAM-1'cause she doesn't * the stops like that..I knew I read it somewhere.p.69
01:22:21.0CAMCAM-?* are up.p.69
01:22:35.8CACAM-1okay...***.p.69
01:22:37.7FOCAM-2after start checklist. generators.p.69
01:22:39.0CACAM-1on.p.69
01:22:39.3FOCAM-2window heat.p.69
01:22:40.0CACAM-1on.p.69
01:22:40.7FOCAM-2pitot static heat.p.69
01:22:41.8CACAM-1(it's on).p.69
01:22:42.4FOCAM-2anti-ice.p.69
01:22:43.0CACAM-1off.p.69
01:22:43.5FOCAM-2pressurization.p.70
01:22:44.8CACAM-1set flight.p.70
01:22:45.5FOCAM-2transponder.p.70
01:22:46.5CACAM-1uhhh...T-A R-A.p.70
01:22:48.1FOCAM-2recall.p.70
01:22:48.6CACAM-1checked.p.70
01:22:49.2FOCAM-2after start checklist complete.p.70
01:22:50.7CACAM-1okay.p.70
01:22:51.3FOHOT-2test test...test test test.p.70
01:22:57.9FOHOT-2test test.p.70
01:22:59.5CAHOT-1loud and clear.p.70
01:23:00.5FOHOT-2okay loud and clear...I'll call for taxi.p.71
01:23:02.8CAHOT-1rog'.p.71
01:23:04.6FORDO-2(Honolulu/hello) tower Rhoades Express eight ten taxi kilo.p.71
01:23:08.0??Rhoades Express eight ten Honolulu tower runway eight TWR-B right taxi via charlie romeo tango romeo alpha hold short of the runway four right final approach.p.71
01:23:18.1FORDO-2okay eight right charlie romeo tango romeo alpha hold short four right approach Rhoades Express eight ten.p.71
01:23:22.2FOHOT-2clear right holding short.p.71
01:23:24.1CAHOT-1roger holding short clear left.p.71
01:23:26.1◦CAM[sounds of various latches and levers]p.71
01:23:49.8FOHOT-2it looks clear right again.p.71
01:23:51.9CAHOT-1roger clear left.p.71
01:24:00.4◦CAMapproaching runway two six right. [electronic female voice]p.72
01:24:22.8CACAM-1(flaps five...taxi check).p.72
01:24:26.8◦CAM[sounds of lever moving]p.72
01:24:44.8FOHOT-2taxi checklist shoulder harnesses.p.72
01:24:46.8CAHOT-1on.p.72
01:24:47.5FOHOT-2on. A-P-U.p.72
01:24:48.7CAHOT-1off.p.72
01:24:49.1FOHOT-2uhh trim...five point two.p.72
01:24:50.8CAHOT-1five point two units set.p.72
01:24:52.6FOHOT-2five point two units set and flaps.p.72
01:24:56.0CAHOT-1five five green light.p.72
01:24:57.6FOHOT-2five five green light flight controls.p.73
01:24:59.5CAHOT-1checked.p.73
01:24:59.8FOHOT-2checked takeoff briefing.p.73
01:25:01.3CAHOT-1umm.p.73
01:25:01.7FOHOT-2umm right seat...uhh five thousand heading one fifty five and we're holding short of the four right approach...complete.p.73
01:25:08.3CAHOT-1rogah...holding short.p.73
01:25:37.8CAHOT-1at your right about *...you see this (three) little pothole here.p.73
01:25:43.8FOHOT-2oh yeah.p.73
01:25:45.1CAHOT-1** yeah...you kinda like have to maneuver (around).p.73
01:25:48.1FOHOT-2oh yeah see everybody always goes around it.p.73
01:25:49.9CAHOT-1yeah **… 'cause it goes boom boom...well yesterday...with all that argument going on and yelling and shouting...so I had my left foot on the left rudder on the top you know and I was touching with my foot and working the brakes...so we got there trying to slow down a little so I had my foot on the brakes and blah blah blah blah and there was an odd * do you see how you jerk your body sometimes when...when you're talking and...p.74
01:26:22.1FOHOT-2oh yeah.p.74
01:26:23.7CAHOT-1and I went like this and it was the left foot...right over the...the pothole...on the brakes...and this...the airplane it went boom! like **.p.74
01:26:36.3FOHOT-2maybe that's why we have a leak now.p.74
01:26:38.7CAHOT-1hahahahahaha...oh I was like...what the...this girl is driving me crazy you know.p.74
01:26:45.7FOHOT-2yeah safety issues.p.74
01:26:47.2CAHOT-1yeah...and we both went like this you know?...oh what the #...and then I'm looking at her...and go I don't know what to say no more...you know?p.74
01:27:02.4CAHOT-1I mean (this/these) are the kind of women you don't wanna get married to...you know some men they lose their temper and the next thing you knows the wife is dead you know…they start punching them and kicking them and um they lost their minds you know...they kill the woman...it's the woman who can (drag/drive) you to (do/doom) crazy stuff...you know?p.75
01:27:30.3CAHOT-1and she's got that little voice like a two year old...she's no two year old! ** [mocking voice]...no man don't let (her/that) fool you.p.75
01:27:42.6FOHOT-2I don't know...the way it sounds like she was acting...maybe she is a two year old.p.75
01:27:48.3CAHOT-1roger...clear left.p.75
01:27:48.3FOHOT-2clear right.p.75
01:27:51.8CAHOT-1you know something like yesterday...you know...I go clear left and she she is like [pause] clear left...no response ***.p.75
01:28:05.1CAHOT-1and after a while I was like @ [company pilot] it's two of us working here you know when I say clear left you look over to the right and make sure it's clear and say something...you know...p.75
01:28:15.0CAHOT-1and after I said that like right about here...she looked over...you know and...this was over there by the romeo uh whiskey looked over to the water and she goes clear right...there's no taxiway in the water.p.76
01:28:33.4FOHOT-2that's terrible.p.76
01:28:35.0CAHOT-1yeah...yeah...p.76
01:28:36.1FOHOT-2clear right and we're holding short four right approach.p.76
01:28:38.5CAHOT-1holding short roger.p.76
01:29:29.2FOHOT-2we are holding short here...yeah?p.76
01:29:30.8CAHOT-1yeah holding short.p.76
01:29:32.0FOHOT-2okay.p.76
01:29:32.6??Rhoades Express eight ten continue via romeo alpha romeo TWR-B bravo.p.76
01:29:36.6FORDO-2continue via romeo alpha romeo bravo Rhoades Express eight ten.p.77
01:29:40.6FOHOT-2okay nevermind...clear right...cleared across.p.77
01:29:42.5CAHOT-1clear left.p.77
01:30:22.9CAHOT-1how are the lights anything too bright for you...want me to dim*?p.77
01:30:26.0FOHOT-2oh no I like it like that...thank you.p.77
01:30:27.7CAHOT-1rogah.p.77
01:30:38.7FOHOT-2I think that's one thing @ [former company pilot] will always be remembered for...p.77
01:30:42.2CAHOT-1oh yeah...p.77
01:30:43.2FOHOT-2'cause you can't ever see anything.p.77
01:30:44.1CAHOT-1* you can't see nothing man.p.77
01:30:47.4CAHOT-1oh that guy he was hard to work for...you know **.p.78
01:30:55.8CAHOT-1** be switching the altimeters...the altitudes you know...I'll be like I can't see this can you see...he says yeah *** hahahahahaha.p.78
01:31:07.5FOHOT-2jeez.p.78
01:31:08.4CAHOT-1aw man.p.78
01:31:13.1CAHOT-1he's at @ [airline] now.p.78
01:31:15.1FOHOT-2yeah.p.78
01:31:15.7CAHOT-1what is he flying?p.78
01:31:17.3FOHOT-2I dunno I never heard.p.78
01:31:19.6CAHOT-1yeahhhh...p.78
01:31:24.4CAHOT-1all right clear left to hold short.p.78
01:31:26.8FOHOT-2clear right hold short.p.78
01:31:33.7CAHOT-1yeah...this morning I was here you know...I go clear left [pause] clear left...[pause]..you know like...hey @ [company pilot] you gotta look to your right make sure there's nobody coming...you know...and then right about here as I made this turn right over here and then she looked off to the water you know and she goes...clear right...hahahaha.p.79
01:32:01.4FOHOT-2man that's terrible.p.79
01:32:02.1CAHOT-1yeah I said...@ [company pilot] you are a joke you are an absolute joke...you know...you're looking at the w— ...oh my *...p.79
01:32:12.2FOHOT-2just...just being belligerent.p.79
01:32:15.8CAHOT-1yeah yeah.p.79
01:32:16.6FOHOT-2by risking the safety of the crew...the airplane...the...cargo.p.79
01:32:20.2??Rhoades Express eight ten runway eight right cleared for TWR-B takeoff.p.79
01:32:23.5FORDO-2runway eight right cleared for takeoff Rhoades Express eight ten.p.79
01:32:25.5FOHOT-2all right cleared to go...and clear right.p.80
01:32:28.5CAHOT-1clear left before takeoff checklist...there's somebody else there on four...we should be going before he gets here.p.80
01:32:33.6FOHOT-2before takeoff checklist. exterior lights on. uhh start switches low. recall is checked. uh transponder is T-A R-A. runway.p.80
01:32:42.0CAHOT-1runway eight right confirmed.p.80
01:32:44.0FOHOT-2runway eight right confirmed before takeoff checklist complete.p.80
01:32:47.9CAHOT-1uhh...p.80
01:32:49.0FOHOT-2still clear right.p.80
01:32:50.0CAHOT-1yeah.p.80
01:33:03.0CAHOT-1okayyyy...you have control.p.80
01:33:05.0FOHOT-2okay I have control.p.80
01:33:08.7◦CAM[increase in ambient noise consistent with engine spool up]p.81
01:33:12.6CAHOT-1engines stable.p.81
01:33:20.6FOHOT-2and set reduced thrust.p.81
01:33:22.2CAHOT-1thrust set.p.81
01:33:25.5CAHOT-1eighty knots.p.81
01:33:26.6FOHOT-2check.p.81
01:33:35.1CAHOT-1vee one.p.81
01:33:36.7CAHOT-1rotatep.81
01:33:37.6CAHOT-1vee two.p.81
01:33:45.0CAHOT-1positive rate.p.81
01:33:46.0FOHOT-2gear up.p.81
01:33:52.1◦CAM[sound of (thud) noise(s)]p.82
01:33:54.7◦CAM[sound of low frequency vibration tone decreasing in pitch from ~115Hz to ~105Hz]p.82
01:33:55.7FOHOT-2oh #.p.82
01:33:57.0CAHOT-1lost (an) engine you got it?p.82
01:33:58.0FOHOT-2okay I got it yep.p.82
01:33:58.9CAHOT-1yep...you lost number...p.82
01:34:00.8FOHOT-2number two...yep.p.82
01:34:01.0CAHOT-1number two.p.82
01:34:03.2◦CAM[sound of click]p.82
01:34:05.9CAHOT-1five hundred eight hundred.p.82
01:34:08.3FOHOT-2flaps.p.82
01:34:08.6CAHOT-1(level off.)p.83
01:34:11.1CAHOT-1okay turn two twenty heading.p.83
01:34:14.0◦CAM[sound of click]p.83
01:34:21.5CAHOT-1I'll give you flaps up.p.83
01:34:22.6FOHOT-2yep.p.83
01:34:28.9CARDO-1Rhoades uh eight ten we have emergency stand by.p.83
01:34:33.1CARDO-1we're on a two twenty heading.p.83
01:34:36.6??Rhoades Express eight ten radar contact fly heading of uh TWR-B one zero zero to join victor two resume own navigation.p.83
01:34:43.4CARDO-1eight twenty has emergency on a two twenty heading stand by.p.83
01:34:51.7CAHOT-1okay you can inch up to two thousand.p.83
01:35:01.2CAHOT-1*.p.83
01:35:03.6CAHOT-1okay coming up on two thousand we'll level at two thousand...you have two twenty heading right?p.84
01:35:08.8FOHOT-2yes *.p.84
01:35:11.0CAHOT-1‘kay level two thousand.p.84
01:35:16.2??Rhoades Express eight ten...radar contact...turn left heading TWR-B zero niner zero join victor two resume own navigation climb and maintain one three thousand say altitude.p.84
01:35:22.8◦CAM[sound of click]p.84
01:35:26.2CARDO-1okay Rhoaaades eight ten radio check how do you read?p.84
01:35:29.5??Rhoades Express eight ten loud and clear how do you hear? TWR-B turn left heading one eight zero.p.84
01:35:29.6◦CAM[various sounds of clicks]p.84
01:35:32.7CAHOT-1two ten...two ten heading. [overlapping with preceding radio transmission]p.84
01:35:34.7CARDO-1okay Rhoades eight ten we've lost an engine...we are on a two twenty heading...maintaining two thousand...declaring emergency how do you read?p.85
01:35:43.3??* say again heading two four zero. [to another aircraft] TWR-Bp.85
01:35:46.2CARDO-1okay two four zero heading Rhoades eight ten.p.85
01:35:47.1◦CAM[various sounds of clicks]p.85
01:35:48.9??no Rhoades eight oh nine Rhoades eight oh nine left two four TWR-B zero. [to another aircraft]p.85
01:35:52.9??[other aircraft responds] N809TAp.85
01:35:54.8??Rhoades express eight ten you are cleared visual approach TWR-B runway four right you can turn in towards the airport.p.85
01:36:00.1CARDO-1okay Rhoades eight ten we're gonna have to run a checklist if we can get a delay vector and (uh we'll/I will) let you know when we're ready to come into the airport.p.85
01:36:08.2??—heading and uh...just keep me advised and maintain uh two TWR-B thousand if that's the altitude you'd like. [beginning of transmission cut off by previous transmission]p.85
01:36:15.1CARDO-1okay two thousand is good for now we'll stay around fifteen miles from the airport and uhh maintaining two thousand Rhoades eight ten. [this transmission was partially blocked by ATC communicating with another aircraft]p.86
01:36:27.5CAHOT-1okay...let's uhh...p.86
01:36:33.8CAHOT-1two forty heading *.p.86
01:36:36.1CAHOT-1you want me to take over or you got it?p.86
01:36:38.4FOHOT-2no I'm okay thank you.p.86
01:36:39.7CAHOT-1okay **.p.86
01:36:47.4??and Rhoades express eight ten uhh...when you get a chance TWR-B uhh can I get ya...uh the nature of the emergency I know you said an engine out which one...uhh how many souls onboard and fuel.p.86
01:36:59.8CARDO-1okay all that is good we'll give you all that in a little bit...in a little bit Rhoades eight ten.p.86
01:37:04.4??when you're ready. TWR-Bp.86
01:37:05.5CAHOT-1okay so we'll plan for two...say two twenty speed eh?p.87
01:37:09.6FOHOT-2kay.p.87
01:37:11.3CAHOT-1let me take over briefly and you...p.87
01:37:12.6FOHOT-2okay.p.87
01:37:13.1CAHOT-1you set your things up I have control.p.87
01:37:14.7FOHOT-2okay...you have control.p.87
01:37:15.8CAHOT-1roger.p.87
01:37:19.2??dispatch...eight oh nine. N809TAp.87
01:37:22.4DISDISPeight oh nine go ahead.p.87
01:37:24.2??eight ten declared emergency. N809TAp.87
01:37:30.6DISDISPokay roger uh yeah I see them turning around thanks.p.87
01:37:35.9CAHOT-1okay let's trim this up at two thousand.p.88
01:37:39.9CAHOT-1okay let's see what is the problem...which one...what's going on with the gauges.p.88
01:37:41.2??eight ten uhh dispatch uhh * in...let me know what's going DISP on.p.88
01:37:48.2CAHOT-1read the gauges and see which one...who one...which...who has the E-G-T?p.88
01:37:51.9FOHOT-2yep so it looks like the number one.p.88
01:37:53.6CAHOT-1number one is gone?p.88
01:37:54.6FOHOT-2(it's/is) gone yep.p.88
01:37:56.9FOHOT-2so we have number two.p.88
01:37:58.1CAHOT-1so we have number two okay.p.88
01:38:12.1CAHOT-1all right uh two forty heading so I have controls.p.88
01:38:15.7FOHOT-2okay...should we head back toward the airport though before we get too far away?p.89
01:38:18.3CAHOT-1yeah we'll stay within fifteen...all right I have controls you run the checklist...let's do the engine failure shutdown checklist.p.89
01:38:31.4CAHOT-1and I have the radios now.p.89
01:38:33.1FOHOT-2'kay.p.89
01:38:38.4CARDO-1'kay Honolulu Rhoades eight ten.p.89
01:38:41.1??Rhoades Express eight ten Honolulu tower. TWR-Bp.89
01:38:42.8CARDO-1yeah we can take a turn to the right umm...toward the airport (I'm) not ready to land yet though.p.89
01:38:49.3??Rhoades Express eight ten uhh fly a heading of two uhh five TWR-B zero.p.89
01:38:52.8CARDO-1two five zero Rhoades eight ten.p.89
01:38:57.8FOHOT-2okay engine failure or shutdown when these occurs engine failure engine flameout or another checklist directs an engine failure.p.90
01:39:06.1FOHOT-2we're...we're red line here we should pull the right one back a little bit.p.90
01:39:10.2CAHOT-1okay shoot we should head towards the airport.p.90
01:39:12.1FOHOT-2yeah we should yep.p.90
01:39:13.3CAHOT-1all right set it up for the I-L-S...p.90
01:39:15.1FOHOT-2okay.p.90
01:39:15.5CAHOT-1I-L-S four.p.90
01:39:17.5CARDO-1and Rhoades eight ten we'd like to come to the airport now.p.90
01:39:21.2??Rhoades Express eight ten roger confirm you still have the TWR-B airport in sight.p.90
01:39:24.4CARDO-1uhh negative we'll take your vectors.p.90
01:39:31.4??Rhoades Express eight ten turn right heading zero two zero TWR-B confirm you still have the airport in sight.p.91
01:39:35.5CARDO-1negative we don't have the airport Rhoades eight ten zero two zero.p.91
01:39:38.6??Rhoades Express eight ten fly heading of zero two zero and TWR-B would you like to intercept the localizer or do you want vectors?p.91
01:39:45.6CARDO-1no...vectors straight to the airport we might lose the other engine too.p.91
01:39:49.7??—four zero. [beginning of transmission cut off by previous TWR-B transmission]p.91
01:39:51.4CARDO-1uhh gimme...uhh say again Rhoades eight ten.p.91
01:39:54.1??zero four zero heading Rhoades Express eight ten. TWR-Bp.91
01:40:00.3CARDO-1zero four zero roger Rhoades eight ten.p.91
01:40:02.4??and Rhoades Express eight ten is it two souls onboard and TWR-B also how much fuel remaining?p.91
01:40:02.8CAHOT-1(it shows/ensure) we are clean right?p.92
01:40:04.6FOHOT-2okay.p.92
01:40:05.0FOHOT-2just have to watch this though...the number two.p.92
01:40:08.0CAHOT-1#.p.92
01:40:09.1CARDO-1uhh Rhoades eight ten stand by.p.92
01:40:11.0◦CAM[sounds possibly similar to momentary stick shaker, approximately 1.8 seconds duration]p.92
01:40:11.2CAHOT-1(what's this?)p.92
01:40:13.0CAHOT-1hey man we're going...we can't keep going down.p.92
01:40:16.8FOHOT-2we're descending.p.92
01:40:17.2◦CAM[sounds of increasing pitch, consistent with increasing engine thrust]p.92
01:40:21.6CAHOT-1okay see...see if you can see the airport now...(***).p.92
01:40:24.4FOHOT-2uhh we're descending...we have to climb.p.93
01:40:29.6CAHOT-1double check the airplane is cleaned up.p.93
01:40:32.0FOHOT-2yeah...flaps are up...speedbrakes...p.93
01:40:36.5CAHOT-1how is the E-G-T?p.93
01:40:38.3FOHOT-2it's max it's beyond max.p.93
01:40:41.4CAHOT-1okay...we're barely holding altitude...okay see what you can do in the checklist finish as much as possible.p.93
01:40:56.7FOHOT-2this says uhh...p.93
01:40:59.0FOHOT-2uhh airframe vibrations abnormal engines exist...it says do the engine shutdown only when flight conditions— we have to fly the airplane though.p.93
01:41:07.7CAHOT-1okay.p.93
01:41:09.8CAHOT-1#.p.93
01:41:10.4FOHOT-2we're losing altitude.p.94
01:41:11.5CAHOT-1yeah.p.94
01:41:18.6CAHOT-1fifteen miles out **. [overlapping radio transmission]p.94
01:41:19.9??Rhoades Express eight ten fly heading of zero five zero. TWR-Bp.94
01:41:22.3FORDO-2zero five zero Rhoades Express eight ten.p.94
01:41:30.3◦CAM[sound of click]p.94
01:41:45.6FOHOT-2do we go flaps...flaps one?p.94
01:41:47.6CAHOT-1no no not yet. ***.p.94
01:41:48.8FOHOT-2'kay we're...we're very slow though.p.94
01:41:54.0CAHOT-1shoot...okay flaps one.p.94
01:41:56.6◦CAM[sound of click]p.94
01:41:58.2!EGPWSfive hundred. [electronic voice]p.95
01:41:59.5!EGPWStoo low gear. [electronic voice]p.95
01:42:04.9CARDO-1okay Rhoades eight ten uh situation we've lost number one engine and um...we're coming straight to the airport...we're gonna need the fire department there's a chance we're gonna lose the other engine too it's running very hot. and umm speed is umm we're pretty low on the speed it doesn't look good out here...you might want to let the Coast Guard know as well.p.95
01:42:28.8CARDO-1and we don't have any hazmats and umm fuel is about two hours of fuel.p.95
01:42:36.1!EGPWStoo low gear. [electronic voice]p.95
01:42:37.4FOHOT-2just fly the...fly the airplane please.p.95
01:42:37.8!EGPWStoo low terrain. [electronic voice]p.95
01:42:38.5??and Rhoades Express eight ten how many people are TWR-B onboard?p.95
01:42:40.7CARDO-1uh two of us.p.95
01:42:40.9!EGPWStoo low gear. [electronic voice]p.96
01:42:42.3??Rhoades Express eight ten roger do you have the airport in TWR-B sight?p.96
01:42:43.7!EGPWSterrain terrain. [electronic voice]p.96
01:42:45.2CAHOT-1do you have the airport?p.96
01:42:45.8!EGPWSpull up. [electronic voice]p.96
01:42:46.3FOHOT-2pull up we're low. [spoken urgently]p.96
01:42:47.6!EGPWSpull up. [electronic voice]p.96
01:42:48.8!EGPWSpull up. [electronic voice]p.96
01:42:49.6??Rhoades Express eight ten do you have the airport in sight? TWR-Bp.96
01:42:52.1FORDO-2negative.p.96
01:42:53.1??and Rhoades Express eight ten low altitude alert... uh low TWR-B altitude alert...are you able to climb at all?p.96
01:42:58.5FORDO-2no negative.p.97
01:42:59.8??Rhoades Express eight ten roger proceed direct to the TWR-B airport and you are cleared to land any runway.p.97
01:43:04.9FORDO-2we need a heading.p.97
01:43:06.2??Rhoades Express eight ten heading zero six zero. TWR-Bp.97
01:43:08.4FORDO-2zero six zero.p.97
01:43:08.6!EGPWStoo low terrain. [electronic voice]p.97
01:43:11.1!EGPWS(three) hundred. [electronic voice]p.97
01:43:12.3!EGPWStoo low gear. [electronic voice]p.97
01:43:14.1??Rhoades Express eight ten the trucks are rolling. TWR-Bp.97
01:43:16.3CARDO-1roger you wanna—p.97
01:43:17.6FOHOT-2zero six zero on the heading.p.97
01:43:18.8CARDO-1you wanna let the Coast— Coast Guard know as well?p.98
01:43:21.4FOHOT-2zero six zero on the heading.p.98
01:43:23.0??say that again? TWR-Bp.98
01:43:24.0CARDO-1uhh can you let the Coast Guard know...we cannot maintain altitude.p.98
01:43:28.1??we will. TWR-Bp.98
01:43:31.4FOHOT-2hold that please it's climbing hold that hold that.p.98
01:43:34.8FOHOT-2pull back we've got a climb.p.98
01:43:37.2FOHOT-2pull back to the stick shaker.p.98
01:43:40.6CAHOT-1shoot three hundred feet.p.98
01:43:41.9FOHOT-2it's okay we're climbin’— oh we're not climbing #.p.98
01:43:44.9CAHOT-1how's the E-G-T?p.98
01:43:46.5FOHOT-2hot...way over.p.99
01:43:46.7!EGPWStoo low terrain. [electronic voice]p.99
01:43:48.7!EGPWStoo low gear. [electronic voice]p.99
01:43:50.6!EGPWStoo low gear. [electronic voice]p.99
01:43:55.2!EGPWStoo low gear. [electronic voice]p.99
01:43:56.5??Rhoades Express eight ten the Coast Guard is on their way. TWR-Bp.99
01:43:59.3CARDO-1roger thank you...thank you very much 'preciate it.p.99
01:44:02.2??Rhoades Express eight ten if you want to land eight right uh TWR-B if you can get to the runway any runway you are cleared to land.p.99
01:44:06.8!EGPWStoo low gear. [electronic voice]p.99
01:44:08.5!EGPWStoo low terrain. [electronic voice]p.99
01:44:09.7FOHOT-2pull back please.p.99
01:44:11.2??Express eight ten if you can get to runway eight right or TWR-B Kalaeloa do you want Kalaeloa?p.100
01:44:17.2FORDO-2we'd like the closest airport runway please.p.100
01:44:19.2CAHOT-1anything we can land on.p.100
01:44:20.9??—port is three miles north of you uh uh off your nine to ten TWR-B o'clock.p.100
01:44:27.0FOHOT-2wanna go there?p.100
01:44:28.0◦CAM[sound similar to stick shaker, approximately 1.7 seconds duration]p.100
01:44:28.5??can you get that Rhoades Express eight ten it's three uhh...to TWR-B your left about three miles northwest of you.p.100
01:44:33.9!EGPWStoo low gear. [electronic voice]p.100
01:44:35.9!EGPWStoo low gear. [electronic voice]p.100
01:44:36.0CARDO-1okay give me a heading.p.100
01:44:37.8!EGPWStoo low gear. [electronic voice]p.101
01:44:39.6!EGPWStoo low gear. [electronic voice]p.101
01:44:39.8◦CAM[sound similar to stick shaker, approximately 1.6 seconds duration]p.101
01:44:40.0??Rhoades Express eight ten uh the airport is about a three one TWR-B zero heading from you.p.101
01:44:41.6!EGPWSterrain terrain. [electronic voice]p.101
01:44:43.1!EGPWSpull up. [electronic voice]p.101
01:44:44.7!EGPWSpull up. [electronic voice]p.101
01:44:46.1CARDO-1three one zero thank you.p.101
01:44:46.2!EGPWSpull up. [electronic voice]p.101
01:44:47.8!EGPWSpull up. [electronic voice]p.101
01:44:49.3!EGPWSpull up. [electronic voice]p.101
01:44:50.8!EGPWSpull up. [electronic voice]p.102
01:44:51.6CAHOT-1you have control and you have control.p.102
01:44:52.3!EGPWSpull up. [electronic voice]p.102
01:44:53.3FOHOT-2okay.p.102
01:44:53.9CAHOT-1shoot this is the water we in the water.p.102
01:44:54.0!EGPWSpull up. [electronic voice]p.102
01:44:55.3◦CAM[sound similar to stick shaker, approximately 2.6 seconds duration]p.102
01:44:55.4!EGPWSpull up. [electronic voice]p.102
01:44:57.0◦CAM[sounds of heavy breathing]p.102
01:44:57.2!EGPWSpull up. [electronic voice]p.102
01:44:58.4!EGPWSpull up. [electronic voice]p.102
01:44:59.9◦CAM[sound similar to stick shaker, approximately 3.3 seconds duration]p.103
01:45:00.1!EGPWSpull up. [electronic voice]p.103
01:45:01.7!EGPWSpull up. [electronic voice]p.103
01:45:03.2!EGPWSpull up. [electronic voice]p.103
01:45:04.9!EGPWSpull up. [electronic voice]p.103
01:45:06.4!EGPWSpull up. [electronic voice]p.103
01:45:06.4◦CAM[sound similar to stick shaker, approximately 4.1 seconds duration]p.103
01:45:07.9!EGPWSpull up. [electronic voice]p.103
01:45:09.6!EGPWStoo low terrain. [electronic voice]p.103
01:45:11.4CAHOT-1oh man we're in the water we're in the water we can't go...p.103
01:45:12.0◦CAM[sound similar to stick shaker, remained active throughout the duration of the recording]p.104
01:45:12.4!EGPWSterrain terrain. [electronic voice]p.104
01:45:13.7!EGPWSpull up. [electronic voice]p.104
01:45:14.9!EGPWSpull up. [electronic voice]p.104
01:45:15.9CAHOT-1#.p.104
01:45:16.3!EGPWSpull up. [electronic voice]p.104
01:45:17.0◦CAM[sounds consistent with impact] 0145:17.3p.104