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BOEING 737 7H4SOUTHWEST AIRLINES CO

439 lines · 15:39:47.5 – 17:44:52.9 · Flushing, NY, 2013-07-22

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CaptainFirst officerControllersWarningsSounds
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Crew communication

439 lines readobservations a human-factors reviewer takes from a transcript — the sterile cockpit, the Board's own notations, rhythm, CRM markers. Not emotions, not scores: the affect is in the audio, and the audio is sealed
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floor share · CA / FO %
5%
non-pertinent talk in sterile window
9 · 1 · 2
laughter · delivery · expletives
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crew questions unanswered in 8 s
4 of 7
warnings with a crew response in 5 s
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Utterances per minute, one row per speaker on one clock. shaded = sterile-cockpit window · red = end of recording.
Sterile cockpit · 14 CFR 121.542

Window: 17:39:00–17:45:46 · basis: critical phases in the extracted recorder events (approximate). Candidate non-pertinent lines below are a first reading for the investigator, not a finding; “@” marks the Board's own non-pertinent-word notation.

  • 17:39:17.0“there we should start slowing on down good.”
  • 17:40:23.7“you can just go back to continuous. I can't— that glare— can't even see it.”
The Board’s own notations

Delivery and physiological notes the transcribers added in brackets, plus # expletives. 31 words are marked unintelligible (*).

  • #17:16:50.2“okay let's bring that up here. God I can't see anything with all this # dust.”
  • sound similar to cough17:24:06.5“[sound similar to cough]”
  • #17:44:26.0“[sound similar to inhalation] #.”
Silences of 45 s or more
Concerns voiced, and what followed

Hedged or questioning lines from one pilot in the critical window, with the other pilot’s next words.

Warnings and the response
  • 17:17:01.1[sound similar to altitude alert]
    → 0.8 s later: 17:17:01.9“*.”
  • 17:31:05.9[sound similar to altitude alert]
    → no crew words within 5 s
  • 17:36:02.6[sound similar to altitude alert]
    → no crew words within 5 s
  • 17:38:45.1[sound similar to altitude alert]
    → 1.9 s later: 17:38:47.0“thirty five twenty seven.”
  • 17:41:05.4[sound similar to altitude alert]
    → 1.6 s later: 17:41:07.0“see four two and two. start uh dirtying it up here a little bit. 17:41:010.0”
  • 17:43:49.6[sound similar to autopilot disconnect]
    → 2.8 s later: 17:43:52.4“people are crossing. they're out of your way. DCA13FA131”
  • 17:44:26.8[sound of impact] DCA13FA131
    → no crew words within 5 s
Questions between the pilots left unanswered
Standard callouts
1,000 ft500 ftGear downV1 · not in transcriptRotate / Vr · not in transcriptV2 · not in transcriptPositive rate · not in transcriptGear up · not in transcriptMinimums · not in transcriptRunway in sight · not in transcriptGo around · not in transcriptStabilized · not in transcript

“Not in transcript” never means “not said”: a line may be unintelligible, or the recording may not cover that phase.

Language, as counts
Speakerwordsquestionshedgesexclamationsexpletiveschecklistsnon-pertinent lines
Captain1,601201332024
First officer8869900010
Observer / jumpseat8000001

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15:39:47.5STASTARTOF RECORDINGp.8
16:29:08.3STASTARTOF APPROACH BRIEFINGp.8
16:29:08.3CAHOT-1what's that runway?p.8
16:29:09.6FOHOT-2four.p.8
16:29:12.5CAHOT-1you want flaps forty?p.8
16:29:14.6FOHOT-2ah yes ma'am that'd be great.p.8
16:29:16.5CAHOT-1okay.p.8
16:29:19.2FOHOT-2yeah since it's wet and stuff. yup.p.8
16:29:19.5CAHOT-1yeah.p.8
16:29:29.1CAHOT-1okay twenty eight thirty four with brackets.p.8
16:29:31.4FOHOT-2right.p.8
16:29:36.9CAHOT-1and twenty eight what is it thirty four. so that's plus six? DCA13FA131p.8
16:29:40.7CAHOT-1yes.p.9
16:29:41.8FOHOT-2twenty eight thirty four you bet.p.9
16:29:45.4FOHOT-2thank you much.p.9
16:30:28.6CAHOT-1you can go through it if you want.p.9
16:30:29.9FOHOT-2okay. alright we'll go through it here.p.9
16:30:32.3FOHOT-2we got uh Gor— Gordonsville...then on in to uh COLIN...Patuxent River...looks like uh GAR— GARED...RIDGY at or above flight level two seven zero...p.9
16:30:46.9FOHOT-2Smyrna at or above flight level four— uh two four zero...we go in to uh SKIPY at or above flight level one nine zero.p.9
16:30:46.9BESBESSIat or above seventeen. EDJER...DAVYS at or above thirteen. HOLEY. we got a note B on that one. see what that— I don't see that B anywhere. on HOLEY. you see anything there on the box? no? alright it's probably the holding. BRAND at or above eleven.p.9
16:31:19.9CAHOT-1kay.p.9
16:31:20.2FOHOT-2KORRY at ten. uh Robbinsville ... TYKES... MINKS ... RENUE...APPLE...PROUD. expect radar vectors from there. on to LaGuardia. got runway four. I think we'll have the weather for the visual. what do you think? DCA13FA131p.9
16:31:37.4CAHOT-1yeah I think so too.p.10
16:31:38.0FOHOT-2yeah you're right.p.10
16:31:38.8FOHOT-2one— one ten dot five zero four four course. twenty one on the uh touchdown zone elevation...uh DNNIS seventeen hundred...good to go. got MALSR PAPIs to help us out. autobrakes three. wet-good. we'll uh...stop at whatever wherever we can. if we go past the uh runway probably uniform romeo then back over to uh gate bravo four.p.10
16:32:08.7FOHOT-2okay that's around the back side and there is a ramp there. that you got to monitor ground and ramp at the sa— at the same time as I remember.p.10
16:32:19.9CAHOT-1okay.p.10
16:32:25.0FOHOT-2yeah so uh alpha and then on in.p.10
16:32:30.1CAHOT-1oh okay.p.10
16:32:30.8FOHOT-2yeah contact United ramp control for push clearance and entry to alleyway on arrival. yeah.p.10
16:32:38.9CAHOT-1okay. DCA13FA131p.10
16:32:40.0ENDENDOF APPROACH BRIEFINGp.11
17:14:07.1STASTARTOF TRANSCRIPTp.11
17:14:07.1◦CAM[sound similar to ACARS tone]p.11
17:14:08.5CAHOT-1ah zulu.p.11
17:14:18.6CAHOT-1the winds about the same...it's actually got a little bit better on the scattered and the broken.p.11
17:14:23.8FOHOT-2nice.p.11
17:14:27.8CAHOT-1two nine eight six. still using four. no big changes.p.11
17:14:32.8FOHOT-2alrighty.p.11
17:14:36.3CARDO-1down two four zero Southwest three forty five.p.11
17:14:43.2CARDO-1one two five four five and no delay down Southwest uh three forty five.p.12
17:14:46.7FOHOT-2twenty four.p.12
17:14:50.1CAHOT-1four five.p.12
17:14:55.4CARDO-1center Southwest uh three forty five is out of three one zero for two four zero and we're hustling down.p.12
17:15:03.5CAHOT-1uh ohhh. chuh chuh chuh chuh chuh chuh...p.12
17:15:25.7CAHOT-1okay I'm off.p.12
17:15:26.8FOHOT-2alright. DCA13FA131p.12
17:15:48.1CAPA-1well ladies and gentlemen we are heading towards LaGuardia and uh we have started uh part of the— the first part of the descent in to LaGuardia at this time. the fasten seatbelt sign is still on at this time. please make sure you're seated with your seatbelts fastened a couple good storms coming up uh that are going to be on our right hand side. currently down at LaGuardia seventy eight degrees. they do got uh clouds in the area and a light wind. um if they don't delay us again we're looking at about uh being forty five minutes late uh into the gate. again we do apologize for the delay and um we thank you for your patience. hope you have a wonderful day.p.13
17:16:30.3CAHOT-1I'm back.p.13
17:16:30.7FOHOT-2alrighty no change.p.13
17:16:50.2CAHOT-1okay let's bring that up here. God I can't see anything with all this # dust.p.13
17:16:59.1FOHOT-2that's a good one over there to the right.p.13
17:17:01.1◦HOT[sound similar to altitude alert]p.13
17:17:01.9CAHOT-1*.p.13
17:17:03.2FOHOT-2five to four. DCA13FA131p.13
17:17:05.1CAHOT-1twenty four eight twenty four.p.14
17:17:14.9CAHOT-1uh what is it?p.14
17:17:16.2FOHOT-2DAVYS.p.14
17:17:16.7CARDO-1direct to DAVYS Southwest three forty five.p.14
17:17:18.8CAHOT-1I hi—p.14
17:17:19.2FOHOT-2LNAV.p.14
17:17:19.3CAHOT-1okay good.p.14
17:17:19.7FOHOT-2okay.p.14
17:17:20.0CAHOT-1I was just going to make sure they're gonna go through that crowd.p.14
17:17:20.7FOHOT-2yeah...crowd yeah. [sound of laughter]p.14
17:17:23.4CAHOT-1the cloud there. okay DAVYS is good. DCA13FA131p.14
17:17:25.2FOHOT-2the cloud the cloud.p.15
17:17:44.0CAHOT-1well we're going to have to do something up here.p.15
17:17:50.2FOHOT-2* that one's right there right?p.15
17:17:52.7CAHOT-1no I'm talking about straight ahead.p.15
17:17:53.7FOHOT-2yeah.p.15
17:17:54.0CAHOT-1yeah.p.15
17:17:54.4FOHOT-2let's split the gap here. right now we have— definitely want to go right yeah.p.15
17:17:57.0CAHOT-1well I— I— le— let me get a little closer * can bring it up.p.15
17:17:58.8FOHOT-2closer to it looks like yeah.p.15
17:18:00.4CAHOT-1see what it says that uh—.p.15
17:18:02.0FOHOT-2yeah.p.15
17:18:03.6CAHOT-1well I'm sure he's got a plan. DCA13FA131p.15
17:18:05.1FOHOT-2plan yeah.p.16
17:18:05.5CAHOT-1they— they been doing pretty good so far.p.16
17:18:06.9FOHOT-2good so far. right yeah.p.16
17:18:11.0FOHOT-2maybe up and around to the right?p.16
17:18:25.7FOHOT-2uh alright yeah hah.p.16
17:18:33.9CAHOT-1okay that's us.p.16
17:18:35.2FOHOT-2yup. DCA13FA131p.16
17:18:35.3CAHOT-1um I'm going to put in uh where are we now?p.17
17:18:37.7FOHOT-2okay.p.17
17:18:38.6CAHOT-1two four zero.p.17
17:18:39.6FOHOT-2yup.p.17
17:18:42.1CAHOT-1that look good?p.17
17:18:42.9FOHOT-2yup.p.17
17:19:19.6METMETROwhen able Southwest nineteen after BESSI.p.17
17:19:25.8FOHOT-2[sound of laughter] split the gap.p.17
17:19:40.0CAHOT-1yeah looks like we might have to cheat a little to the right.p.17
17:19:42.7FOHOT-2right okay.p.17
17:19:43.8CAHOT-1and we'll just wait until we're a little closer. DCA13FA131p.17
17:19:45.4FOHOT-2closer yup. and get a little bit better...p.18
17:19:47.3CAHOT-1yeah.p.18
17:19:50.0FOHOT-2...resolution on it here.p.18
17:20:13.2CAHOT-1I'm off.p.18
17:20:18.5◦CAM[sound of two clicks]p.18
17:20:19.9OBINT-3this is @.p.18
17:20:20.7CAINT-1hey you guys I was just going to go ahead and ding you a little early.p.18
17:20:23.2OBINT-3okay.p.18
17:20:23.3CAINT-1and then that way you guys can get cleaned up and sit down. it's going to get a little bumpier as we start our— the next part of our descent.p.18
17:20:28.6INTINT-?okay sounds good.p.18
17:20:28.9INTINT-?alrighty. DCA13FA131p.18
17:20:30.0CAINT-1okay thanks.p.19
17:20:30.5INTINT-?thank you.p.19
17:20:32.7CAHOT-1they're going to sit down.p.19
17:20:33.9◦HOT[sound of double chime]p.19
17:20:34.4FOHOT-2perfect.p.19
17:20:51.1CARDO-1center Southwest three forty five uh as soon as we get towards DAVYS we might need to cheat a little bit to the uh right cause of that weather.p.19
17:20:59.1CARDO-1Southwest three four five.p.19
17:21:05.9CAHOT-1okay. DCA13FA131p.19
17:21:11.0CARDO-1okay copy that. we'll descend via the KORRY Three arrival. Southwest three forty five.p.20
17:21:14.7FOHOT-2ten thousand maybe?p.20
17:21:16.0CAHOT-1ummm I'm seeing ten. looks good to me.p.20
17:21:19.8FOHOT-2okay. V-naving it. path. LNAV. alright. here we go.p.20
17:21:23.2CAHOT-1uh you're in speed...hit uhhhh altitude hold for a minute. for some reason you're in speed.p.20
17:21:31.8CAHOT-1oh I see. it was starting to drop your speed down. what for?p.20
17:21:36.4FOHOT-2VNAV because uhhh...p.20
17:21:39.2CAHOT-1okay.p.20
17:21:39.6FOHOT-2...at our cruise right now we're at point six two.p.20
17:21:43.0CAHOT-1did you increase it or something to outside of normal?p.20
17:21:46.2FOHOT-2yeah yeah I— I ended up at uh after we left holding there uh point seven one five... DCA13FA131p.20
17:21:51.1CAHOT-1oh okay.p.21
17:21:51.6FOHOT-2...then I switched it over to two hundred eighty knots.p.21
17:21:55.2CAHOT-1okay.p.21
17:21:56.3FOHOT-2yeah.p.21
17:21:56.7CAHOT-1that's why I thought it was starting down. I was think— trying to figure out why was it starting down now.p.21
17:22:01.7FOHOT-2okay.p.21
17:22:03.5CAHOT-1alright.p.21
17:22:25.2FOHOT-2hah. DCA13FA131p.21
17:22:26.6CAHOT-1whatever.p.22
17:24:06.5HOTHOT-?[sound similar to cough]p.22
17:24:26.6FOHOT-2[sound of laughter]p.22
17:24:37.3FOHOT-2the question of the hour. 'hey any problems on arrival?'p.22
17:24:52.1FOHOT-2ready you want to weave in and out?p.22
17:24:56.1CAHOT-1weave in and out of what?p.22
17:24:57.2FOHOT-2weave a little bit to the left?p.22
17:24:59.5CAHOT-1no. oh I don't— no no. *.p.22
17:25:01.3FOHOT-2okay.p.22
17:25:03.0CAHOT-1it's not even painting anything. DCA13FA131p.22
17:25:05.0FOHOT-2okay.p.23
17:25:05.1CAHOT-1it's— when we get— it's the bigger one.p.23
17:25:07.8FOHOT-2the big one yeah yeah. right there.p.23
17:25:09.6CAHOT-1this one back here is what I'm worried about.p.23
17:25:12.2FOHOT-2yeah.p.23
17:25:12.6CAHOT-1I mean this hole * through so—p.23
17:25:15.9FOHOT-2right.p.23
17:25:31.9CAHOT-1I'll find out—I'll make sure they're seated.p.23
17:25:38.6◦HOT[sound of two clicks]p.23
17:25:39.5INTINT-4this is @ **.p.23
17:25:40.5CAINT-1did ** get seated?p.23
17:25:41.3INTINT-?* yeah we *. DCA13FA131p.23
17:25:42.5INTINT-?two— two of us are.p.24
17:25:43.4CAINT-1okay good.p.24
17:25:44.4CAINT-1thank—.p.24
17:25:44.5INTINT-?she's— she's on her way.p.24
17:25:45.3CAINT-1she's on her way. thanks.p.24
17:25:46.5INTINT-?kay.p.24
17:25:46.8INTINT-?kay.p.24
17:25:47.7CAHOT-1they're seated so—.p.24
17:25:49.5FOHOT-2sweet.p.24
17:26:03.2CARDO-1thank you.p.24
17:26:40.2CAHOT-1two nine eight six still. DCA13FA131p.24
17:26:49.9FOHOT-2alright ready for descent check.p.25
17:26:52.9CAHOT-1altim—...and bugs? **. [stepped on by ATC transmission to other aircraft]p.25
17:26:55.2FOHOT-2set and crosschecked.p.25
17:26:56.2CAHOT-1V ref and target?p.25
17:26:57.4FOHOT-2twenty eight and thirty four. set and noted.p.25
17:27:04.0CAHOT-1autobrake?p.25
17:27:04.9FOHOT-2three.p.25
17:27:05.5CAHOT-1packs?p.25
17:27:06.3FOHOT-2are auto.p.25
17:27:07.4CAHOT-1start switches?p.25
17:27:08.0FOHOT-2left continuous.p.25
17:27:08.7CAHOT-1annnd the recall? DCA13FA131p.25
17:27:10.5FOHOT-2clear.p.26
17:27:11.2CAHOT-1checklist complete.p.26
17:27:11.9FOHOT-2good thank you.p.26
17:29:00.5CAHOT-1so if you want to cheat there.p.26
17:29:03.7FOHOT-2okay it's looking like it's going pretty good right now.p.26
17:29:06.2CAHOT-1I would say that's okay. we'll that's takes you a little farther away at— at that KORRY spot.p.26
17:29:08.6FOHOT-2right...okay.p.26
17:29:11.0CAHOT-1so if you want to do that that's fine...we just won't say nothing.p.26
17:29:14.4FOHOT-2say nothing yeah.p.26
17:29:23.2FOHOT-2feint just a hair.p.26
17:29:27.1FOHOT-2shoot the gap here. DCA13FA131p.26
17:29:33.6CARDO-1one two seven point three Southwest three forty five. good day.p.27
17:29:43.5CARDO-1approach Southwest three forty five uh thirteen thousand two hundred descending via the KORRY Three and we've got zulu.p.27
17:29:49.3NYCNYCSouthwest three forty five moderate turbulence reported by the uh..previous seven three sevens about twenty in front of you. he was zig zagging a little bit but he's getting back on course now.p.27
17:29:59.1CARDO-1okay we'd like to go about uh five to the uh left for the weather Southwest three forty five.p.27
17:30:04.0NYCNYCapproved as requested ma'am.p.27
17:30:05.4CARDO-1thank you.p.27
17:30:06.2CAHOT-1so you can do a little bit more if you want. DCA13FA131p.27
17:30:36.8CAHOT-1yeah looks like you're going to have to stay on this to pass Robbinsville— Robbinsville or whatever it's called.p.28
17:30:41.4FOHOT-2* you want to go around that way? ***. [stepped on by ATC transmission to other aircraft]p.28
17:30:43.8CAHOT-1well.p.28
17:30:45.5FOHOT-2gonna zig— zig zag back in?p.28
17:30:48.3CAHOT-1I don't know if he's gonna let us. we'll have to ask.p.28
17:30:49.7FOHOT-2yeah okay.p.28
17:30:51.2CAHOT-1let's get past this first one first.p.28
17:30:52.1FOHOT-2first one yeah uh-huh. [sound of laughter] one at a time.p.28
17:30:55.2NYCNYCSouthwest three forty five when your closer to Robbinsville if you have to uh if you have to move around weather I'd choose you to go to the left more l— rather than the right. just let me know if you can do that.p.28
17:31:04.6CARDO-1okay um left of the— the right is better but uh we'll see if we can go to the uh the uh um excuse me the right is better but we'll go see if we can go to the left. Southwest three forty five. DCA13FA131p.28
17:31:05.9◦HOT[sound similar to altitude alert]p.29
17:31:15.2NYCNYCokay like I said you have better weather than me. just let me know. if not not a big deal I can work it out.p.29
17:31:19.0CARDO-1okay.p.29
17:31:20.4CAHOT-1I don't know. I mean at this point I— I think we're sh— we're sh—. I don't know what's going to be better than the other.p.29
17:31:26.7FOHOT-2right.p.29
17:31:34.3CAHOT-1I want to see if I can kick it up. see what's upstairs of it.p.29
17:31:42.4◦CAM[sound of click]p.29
17:31:47.1FOHOT-2continuous okay.p.29
17:31:56.9CAHOT-1see it's saying to go this way.p.29
17:31:58.7FOHOT-2yeah. but yeah you're right there.p.29
17:32:00.5CAHOT-1but I can't— I can't figure out what that means. DCA13FA131p.29
17:32:02.5FOHOT-2yeah that looks worse than this. than just going—p.30
17:32:06.3CAHOT-1yeah.p.30
17:32:07.0NYCNYCSouthwest three forty five squawk one one three two.p.30
17:32:07.3FOHOT-2straight ahead. 17:32:010.0p.30
17:32:07.3CARDO-1one one three two Southwest three forty five. At this time we’ll continue on this heading.p.30
17:32:14.3NYCNYCokay thank you.p.30
17:32:20.0CAHOT-1yeah ‘cause I got it pretty high now and it’s not showing anything too much above.p.30
17:32:23.1FOHOT-2above right okay.p.30
17:32:24.6CAHOT-1everybody’s seated.p.30
17:32:26.7FOHOT-2yeah.p.30
17:32:28.6FOHOT-2I think we’re okay. DCA13FA131p.30
17:32:29.4CAHOT-1just from a visual standpoint it looks like it should be better this way.p.31
17:32:30.7FOHOT-2standpoint yeah…this way yeah.p.31
17:32:34.3CAHOT-1and then we’ll try to go to TYKES when we can.p.31
17:32:36.1FOHOT-2can yeah. sounds good.p.31
17:32:45.1FOHOT-2we’ll find out. we’re committed now. [sound of laughter]p.31
17:32:47.6CAHOT-1yeah.p.31
17:33:03.7CAHOT-1getting a blow off from something.p.31
17:33:05.2◦CAM[sound similar to precipitation]p.31
17:33:18.0CAHOT-1now let’s go towards TYKES now.p.31
17:33:22.2CAHOT-1***. [stepped on by ATC transmissions]p.31
17:33:42.9FOHOT-2**.p.31
17:33:43.1NYCNYCSouthwest three forty five how's your ride there? DCA13FA131p.31
17:33:45.5CARDO-1uh so far we just uh— we got uh— we do have uh weather some rain and uh just a little bit of uh light chop. we're heading back toward TYKES now.p.32
17:33:56.5CAHOT-1I don't know if that was a good idea so you want to stop for a sec?p.32
17:33:58.4NYCNYCSouthwest three forty five thank you. when able directp.32
17:33:58.4GREGRENEintercept the localizer descend to seven thousand.p.32
17:34:04.2CARDO-1okay direct GRENE when we can and seven thousand Southwest three forty five.p.32
17:34:08.8CAHOT-1uhhhhhh *. [stepped on by ATC]p.32
17:34:10.6FOHOT-2seven thousand.p.32
17:34:14.1CAHOT-1okay GRENE. let's do that. that's a much better line.p.32
17:34:15.7FOHOT-2GRENE okay.p.32
17:34:18.8FOHOT-2LNAV.p.32
17:34:22.4FOHOT-2seven thousand. DCA13FA131p.32
17:34:22.7CAHOT-1out of ten thousand they're all seated.p.33
17:34:24.2FOHOT-2yup.p.33
17:34:26.4CAHOT-1so watch your speed just a little bit.p.33
17:34:28.4FOHOT-2okay. yup.p.33
17:34:32.3CAHOT-1where you goin?p.33
17:34:33.5FOHOT-2uhp.33
17:34:33.7CAHOT-1it’s turning.p.33
17:34:33.7FOHOT-2why’s it doing that?p.33
17:34:35.1CAHOT-1I don’t know but let’s go heading.p.33
17:34:35.9FOHOT-2heading set yeah.p.33
17:34:37.3CAHOT-1I don’t know where it’s going. DCA13FA131p.33
17:34:38.8FOHOT-2oh it’s trying to reintercept the course it— it looks like. Let me go GRENE GRENE execute. just need to execute it there. Alright there we go. LNAV. there we go.p.34
17:34:48.4CAHOT-1well now we’re not where I wanted to be though.p.34
17:35:15.0CAHOT-1okay when we’re coming on to the approach so please don’t be too fast.p.34
17:35:21.8FOHOT-2alright.p.34
17:35:24.7CAHOT-1GRENE’s um...just about eleven miles out.p.34
17:35:28.7FOHOT-2okay perfect.p.34
17:35:34.6CAHOT-1temperature looks good.p.34
17:35:39.6FOHOT-2okay go to flight you think for all the rain?p.34
17:35:42.2CAHOT-1sure that’s fine.p.34
17:36:02.6◦HOT[sound similar to altitude alert]p.34
17:36:09.0FOHOT-2you think we can keep getting on down. DCA13FA131p.34
17:36:14.0CAHOT-1uh I doubt it.p.35
17:36:15.1FOHOT-2okay.p.35
17:36:16.1CAHOT-1[sound of laughter]p.35
17:36:16.3FOHOT-2uh uh he’s not gonna—p.35
17:36:17.9CAHOT-1we’ll find out though.p.35
17:36:18.8FOHOT-2okay.p.35
17:36:22.3CAHOT-1but I would definitely slow us up.p.35
17:36:24.1FOHOT-2yup.p.35
17:36:33.9CARDO-1any chance for lower? South— Southwest three forty five.p.35
17:36:37.0NYCNYCuhhh yeah Southwest three forty five descend and maintain three thousand.p.35
17:36:40.6CARDO-1three thousand for Southwest three forty five.p.35
17:36:42.7CAHOT-1there you go. DCA13FA131p.35
17:36:42.9FOHOT-2alright thank you. Level change.p.36
17:36:46.6FOHOT-2three thousand.p.36
17:36:50.4CAHOT-1it’s gonna try to get your speed first.p.36
17:36:53.4FOHOT-2yeah uhhh...bring it up to two *. [stepped on]p.36
17:37:00.9CAHOT-1easiest is vertical speed.p.36
17:37:03.2FOHOT-2okay.p.36
17:37:03.5CAHOT-1and then use this to get on the speed you want and then go back to it.p.36
17:37:06.6FOHOT-2okay.p.36
17:37:07.1CAHOT-1then you know you’re descending at the same time.p.36
17:37:17.1CAHOT-1and then just put that wherever you want it.p.36
17:37:19.3FOHOT-2yeah alright here we go.p.36
17:37:26.2CAHOT-1‘cause I see some uh nicer weather down here. DCA13FA131p.36
17:37:28.8FOHOT-2yes.p.37
17:37:29.8CAHOT-1[sound of laughter]p.37
17:38:02.3NYCNYCUnited twelve fifty nine New York?p.37
17:38:12.1CAHOT-1I gather he's not.p.37
17:38:19.7NYCNYCSouthwest three forty five eleven from GRENE. crossp.37
17:38:19.7GREGRENEat twenty seven hundred. cleared ILS runway four approach.p.37
17:38:24.8CARDO-1GRENE at twenty seven hundred. cleared for the ILS for four Southwest three forty five.p.37
17:38:28.8FOHOT-2twenty seven hundred. GRENE. cleared the ILS.p.37
17:38:38.6FOHOT-2do doo do do do got alright eight miles from GRENE— nine miles or so it's doing pretty good.p.37
17:38:45.1◦HOT[sound similar to altitude alert]p.37
17:38:47.0CAHOT-1thirty five twenty seven.p.37
17:38:48.3FOHOT-2twenty seven alright. DCA13FA131p.37
17:38:59.7CAHOT-1well I think most of that is just all—p.38
17:39:04.6CAHOT-1airport's in the clear.p.38
17:39:05.8FOHOT-2clear okay yup. you bet.p.38
17:39:17.0FOHOT-2there we should start slowing on down good.p.38
17:39:27.2FOHOT-2GRENE's about five miles and about five miles to the FAF. okay so ten miles out about.p.38
17:39:32.2CAHOT-1and you're identified.p.38
17:39:50.1FOHOT-2alright we're on altitude hold. I'll set this up for the next one.p.38
17:39:55.3CAHOT-1okay.p.38
17:40:07.9FOHOT-2mostly tail. I was hoping it was gonna switch on here.p.38
17:40:12.0FOHOT-2what's that?p.38
17:40:12.8CAHOT-1you must say it's a tailwind right now.p.38
17:40:14.8FOHOT-2yeah huh. DCA13FA131p.38
17:40:16.7CAHOT-1just to let you know.p.39
17:40:23.7CAHOT-1you can just go back to continuous. I can't— that glare— can't even see it.p.39
17:40:30.6NYCNYCSouthwest three forty five how's the ride been the last ten miles or so?p.39
17:40:33.5CARDO-1nice and smooth Southwest three forty five.p.39
17:40:35.7NYCNYCvery good. tower's eighteen seven have a good night.p.39
17:40:37.5CARDO-1eighteen seven thanks see ya.p.39
17:40:41.0CAHOT-1* ummm. six seven.p.39
17:40:46.0CARDO-1tower Southwest three forty five on the ILS four.p.39
17:40:50.8ATCTWRSouthwest three forty five LaGuardia Tower. number two clear to land runway four. winds zero seven zero at six.p.39
17:40:55.2CARDO-1okay number two clear to land Southwest uh three forty five.p.39
17:40:59.1FOHOT-2alright clear to land. DCA13FA131p.39
17:41:00.1CAHOT-1seventeen.p.40
17:41:01.3FOHOT-2—teen.p.40
17:41:01.9CAHOT-1okay.p.40
17:41:05.4◦HOT[sound similar to altitude alert]p.40
17:41:07.0FOHOT-2see four two and two. start uh dirtying it up here a little bit. 17:41:010.0p.40
17:41:07.0CAHOT-1I agree.p.40
17:41:10.7FOHOT-2let's go flaps five please.p.40
17:41:11.5CAHOT-1five.p.40
17:41:12.6◦CAM[sound similar to flap handle movement]p.40
17:41:15.4CAHOT-1remember you're on that so it's going to try to maintain that speed first and not go down.p.40
17:41:19.4◦CAM[sound similar to trim]p.40
17:41:20.7FOHOT-2okay. DCA13FA131p.40
17:41:25.2◦CAM[sound similar to trim]p.41
17:41:25.5FOHOT-2still above the glideslope here so.p.41
17:41:27.7CAHOT-1okay.p.41
17:41:29.1FOHOT-2arm the approach mode here and we should just—p.41
17:41:31.4CAHOT-1that works *.p.41
17:41:31.8FOHOT-2come on down and—p.41
17:41:32.9CAHOT-1[sound of laughter]p.41
17:41:34.6FOHOT-2*.p.41
17:41:35.5◦CAM[sound similar to trim]p.41
17:41:36.4FOHOT-2alright let's go landing gear down please.p.41
17:41:38.1CAHOT-1landing gear down.p.41
17:41:38.9◦CAM[sound similar to landing gear handle movement] DCA13FA131p.41
17:41:39.0◦CAM[sound similar to trim]p.42
17:41:39.5◦CAM[sound of increased air noise]p.42
17:41:45.6FOHOT-2and flaps fifteen.p.42
17:41:50.0CAHOT-1down flaps fifteen.p.42
17:41:52.0◦CAM[sound similar to flap handle movement]p.42
17:41:59.3◦CAM[sound similar to trim]p.42
17:42:00.5CAHOT-1okay localizer glideslope is captured. zeros.p.42
17:42:02.2FOHOT-2captured. here we go.p.42
17:42:04.4◦CAM[sound similar to trim]p.42
17:42:07.1CAHOT-1still showing you a tail.p.42
17:42:20.4CAHOT-1were we DNNIS seventeen?p.42
17:42:22.6FOHOT-2—teen yup. DCA13FA131p.42
17:42:23.3CAHOT-1got that okay.p.43
17:42:24.2CAHOT-1okay.p.43
17:42:24.4◦CAM[sound similar to trim]p.43
17:42:25.7FOHOT-2thirty.p.43
17:42:26.6CAHOT-1want to go twenty five?p.43
17:42:28.1FOHOT-2sure.p.43
17:42:29.4CAHOT-1see if we can't get it to come down. what's our— uh thirty four.p.43
17:42:33.1◦CAM[sound similar to flap handle movement]p.43
17:42:37.1CAHOT-1now we'll go thirty.p.43
17:42:37.5◦CAM[sound similar to flap handle movement]p.43
17:42:39.4FOHOT-2alright. before landing.p.43
17:42:40.2◦CAM[sound of click] DCA13FA131p.43
17:42:41.1CAHOT-1speed brake?p.44
17:42:42.2FOHOT-2armed green light.p.44
17:42:42.8CAHOT-1landing gear?p.44
17:42:43.7FOHOT-2down three green.p.44
17:42:44.3CAHOT-1and the flaps?p.44
17:42:45.1FOHOT-2thirty green light.p.44
17:42:45.9CAHOT-1before landing checklist is complete. you are clear to land on that runway right over there.p.44
17:42:50.1FOHOT-2right on.p.44
17:42:52.9CAHOT-1I'm gonna get rid of the weather.p.44
17:42:55.6◦CAM[sound similar to trim]p.44
17:42:57.9FOHOT-2there's a thousand feet. one thirty—p.44
17:42:58.8CAHOT-1weather. DCA13FA131p.44
17:42:59.7FOHOT-2what's that? okay.p.45
17:43:01.4CAHOT-1there you go.p.45
17:43:02.0FOHOT-2yeah.p.45
17:43:02.4CAHOT-1otherwise it's going to start making noises.p.45
17:43:02.7◦CAM[sound similar to trim]p.45
17:43:03.8FOHOT-2okay thousand feet. uh thirty six and sinking six hundred.p.45
17:43:06.7CAHOT-1thousand feet.p.45
17:43:11.4◦CAM[sound similar to trim]p.45
17:43:30.2CAHOT-1oh we're forty.p.45
17:43:31.5FOHOT-2oh there you go.p.45
17:43:32.1◦CAM[sound similar to flap handle movement]p.45
17:43:34.2CAHOT-1that was like an hour and a half ago that we briefed that. I'm sorry. DCA13FA131p.45
17:43:36.8FOHOT-2[sound of laughter]p.46
17:43:37.1CAHOT-1all the sudden I started looking at that runway going 'something's wrong.'p.46
17:43:39.8FOHOT-2okay.p.46
17:43:40.4CAHOT-1okay flaps are at forty.p.46
17:43:41.7FOHOT-2forty we got it. green light.p.46
17:43:42.9CAHOT-1green light.p.46
17:43:43.3◦CAM[sound similar to trim]p.46
17:43:45.1FOHOT-2alright.p.46
17:43:45.7CAHOT-1five hundred.p.46
17:43:48.4◦CAM[sound similar to trim]p.46
17:43:49.6◦CAM[sound similar to autopilot disconnect]p.46
17:43:52.4CAHOT-1people are crossing. they're out of your way. DCA13FA131p.46
17:44:00.5CAHOT-1clear to land.p.47
17:44:07.6CAHOT-1correcting nicely. don't get too much on the speed.p.47
17:44:12.2CAHOT-1ooh.p.47
17:44:12.9FOHOT-2uhh come on.p.47
17:44:14.4CAHOT-1one hundred.p.47
17:44:15.8CAHOT-1gotta get *. **.p.47
17:44:17.7CAHOT-1get down. get down. get down.p.47
17:44:20.6CAHOT-1get down.p.47
17:44:23.0CAHOT-1I got it.p.47
17:44:23.6FOHOT-2okay you got it.p.47
17:44:26.0CAHOT-1[sound similar to inhalation] #.p.47
17:44:26.8◦CAM[sound of impact] DCA13FA131p.47
17:44:26.9◦CAM[sound of scraping]p.48
17:44:45.3◦CAM[sound of scraping stops]p.48
17:44:45.5CACAM-1oh my God.p.48
17:44:46.3CAMCAM-?you guys okay?p.48
17:44:46.9CACAM-1sorry.p.48
17:44:47.7CACAM-1yes *.p.48
17:44:48.5CAMCAM-?you guys okay?p.48
17:44:49.3CACAM-1remain seated.p.48
17:44:49.6◦CAM[sounds of movement in cockpit]p.48
17:44:52.9CACAM-1we need to shut this down.p.48