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Bombardier CL-600-2B19PINNACLE AIR INC

1,208 lines · 03:31:54.1 – 04:55:43.7 · Traverse City, MI, 2007-04-12

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  • 04:54:23.4RDO-1alright thanks.
  • 04:54:24.1CAM-1ah I guess ah yeah my cell phone's [pilot recites a ten digit number] and I guess I I'm gonna want some advice on from you right now * are you more comfortable keeping people on this aircraft or do you want me to get 'em off away from the aircraft?
  • 04:54:46.2CAM-1I get 'em out it's snowing like crazy it's cold but I don't know the condition of the aircraft as far as from the outside, ya know what I mean? we have the door open I've kinda done a walkaround it appears to be safe.
  • 04:55:00.9CAM-1doesn't appear to be but like I said you know we're off the runway so and the main's not (on) the aircraft.
  • 04:55:15.6CAM-1okay hey I gotta go I gotta go alright alright.
  • 04:55:20.6CAM-?*** still got five thousand pounds of fuel on (on board).
  • 04:55:25.5CAM-1okay, alright.
  • 04:55:28.0CAM-?* want me to power down * * *?
  • 04:55:31.9CAM[sound similar to clanking].
  • 04:55:43.7CAM[sound of single chime]. End of Transcript

Crew communication

1,208 lines readobservations a human-factors reviewer takes from a transcript — the sterile cockpit, the Board's own notations, rhythm, CRM markers. Not emotions, not scores: the affect is in the audio, and the audio is sealed
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Utterances per minute, one row per speaker on one clock. shaded = sterile-cockpit window · red = end of recording.
Sterile cockpit · 14 CFR 121.542

Window: 04:43:31–04:46:05 · basis: recorder pressure altitude below 10,000 ft. Candidate non-pertinent lines below are a first reading for the investigator, not a finding.

  • 04:44:21.8“alright hey a uhm & start evacuate the aircraft. alright?”
  • 04:45:45.5“okay I don't want shut all this off to be honest with you. so.”
The Board’s own notations

Delivery and physiological notes the transcribers added in brackets, plus # expletives. 292 words are marked unintelligible (*).

  • #03:32:07.4“fun #.”
  • #03:32:12.3“yeah just tired. too late for this #. act of & to get this airplane outta here. you know what I mean?”
  • #03:32:24.3“#.”
  • sound of increasing background noise03:33:32.0“[sound of increasing background noise].”
  • sound of decreasing background noise03:34:16.9“[sound of decreasing background noise].”
  • #03:35:07.3“#.”
  • #03:35:42.5“#.”
  • #03:35:49.4“you keep (going) into this box trying to get climb thrust and you won't get # for flying (though) seventeen because the APUs runnin'.”
  • #03:36:05.8“probably turn the autopilot on so I can (watch) check this. good much better # I'm not gonna turn it on.”
  • #03:37:18.2“(havin' trouble) piece a #.”
  • #03:38:00.3“aha every # knob you grab today is like goin' the wrong way. [sound of chuckle]. that's why my flight director went # jerked up on the speed (mode) trying to get me to V two.”
  • #03:39:41.6“(truly) gonna kick your #.”
  • #03:39:44.1“that's (gonna) # somebody up, spin it aggressively when you're below the altitude that this guys climbin' too.”
  • sounds similar to sigh and yawn03:40:00.3“[sounds similar to sigh and yawn] ah #.”
  • #03:40:00.3“[sounds similar to sigh and yawn] ah #.”
  • #03:40:11.8“this plane smells like # # I'll bet she's got like old lady # or something you smell that? comes in from up here you can feel the air. so you know when the stink stays it wasn't the pilot that # you 'cause the pilots farts come up underneath and go out of the way.”
  • #03:41:43.4“and it might do some of that #. we're out of the clouds right now, still not. alright.”
  • #03:41:52.5“aw I'm tired dude, just # worn out.”
  • #03:41:57.4“(just) not in the mood to have the the # match that that coulda turned into with dispatch. ya know?”
  • #03:43:35.9“[sound of inhalation] oh #.”
  • #03:45:16.6“aw # I don't know it's on the carbon copy of the one before.”
  • #03:45:24.6“I couldn't think of that # mechanics name I think it's &.”
  • #03:46:00.6“then we'll go through amendments. if they're gonna go through this flow # ('cause it's still) you still doin' goofy #. you know.”
  • #03:46:10.2“I just don't want you to # a guy by setting the wrong altitude and you guys are * off of (five) and, towers trying to call you for ten # minutes while your sittin' on ground and ground comes up and goes Flagship blah blah you still with me? you know what I mean. you miss four or five departure slots. [sound of chuckle].”
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Silences of 45 s or more
Concerns voiced, and what followed

Hedged or questioning lines from one pilot in the critical window, with the other pilot’s next words.

  • 04:50:46.3“'cause I don't know * we're leakin' fuel. I don't know if we have any other problems.”
    → 04:50:47.8“(sure).”
  • 04:53:29.3“sorry. everybody’s okay but the aircraft is definitely a loss you know I mean it's ah I don't know what else to do, I'm trying to get everybody off the plane as safely as possible 'cause right now I'm not sure of the configuration of the airplane you know what I mean? so I'm trying to get everybody, it's snowin' like crazy but I'd like to get 'em off the aircraft on to some type of transportation. they weren't answering on the in- range and ahm I got OPS on it I've notified ATC when to give them the buzz real quick and see if they answer no. standby.”
    → no reply from the other pilot in the next lines
  • 04:54:46.2“I get 'em out it's snowing like crazy it's cold but I don't know the condition of the aircraft as far as from the outside, ya know what I mean? we have the door open I've kinda done a walkaround it appears to be safe.”
    → no reply from the other pilot in the next lines
Warnings and the response
  • 03:50:34.2[sound of altitude warning tone].
    → 0.1 s later: 03:50:34.3“so that's the radio etiquette. twenty six for twenty seven.”
  • 04:28:32.9[sound similar to altitude alert chime].
    → no crew words within 5 s
  • 04:40:23.6[sound similar to flap overspeed clacker].
    → 0.8 s later: 04:40:24.4“that’s alright it's within five knots makes it does it do it. bug one sixty.”
  • 04:42:42.9[sound of autopilot disconnect cavalry charge] minimums [electronic voice].
    → 1.8 s later: 04:42:44.7“run ah runway in sight.”
Questions between the pilots left unanswered
  • 03:35:10.6“this plane didn't want to speed up, did it?”
  • 03:36:43.1“alright. * Think so?”
  • 03:45:40.5“so you and I need to sit down at about noon for a two o'clock shuttle. you know? * maybe we should eat breakfast together like nine or ten in the morning you know?”
  • 03:51:39.0“okay I'm gonna cancel mod. we go ILS two eight and I'm gonna do this arc. that's not the arc that's the procedure turn. see the procedure turn pop up?”
  • 03:58:37.3“oh shoot **?”
  • 04:03:20.9“no VASI so hundred and fifty feet wide sixty five hundred feet long. cha ching. any questions?”
  • 04:04:51.4“good, short runway night snow tailwind heavy airplane, love it. [sound of laughter] ya know?”
  • 04:05:27.5“I'm not talkin' about as a check airmen I'm talkin' about dispatches mistake, load controls mistake, rampers not showin' up. you know?”
  • 04:08:57.8“thirty two degrees OPS forty seven (card) that's what they said that agreed agreed with us right?”
  • 04:10:28.5“two niner five four?”
  • 04:13:45.3“so I don't know that's why I'm puttin' in if he can vector us and ha- we don't get below his minimum vectoring altitude then he can give us the clearance, ya know?”
  • 04:18:14.3“I usually tell 'em then you know that's affirmative we * like to land two eight? you know there's no it's a VOR Alpha we could do but (our assured to land) a thousand and three, I don't think last time we checked we had that right what's the ceiling at?”
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Standard callouts
V1Rotate / VrV2Positive rateGear upGear downRunway in sight1,000 ft · not in transcript500 ft · not in transcriptMinimums · not in transcriptGo around · not in transcriptStabilized · not in transcript

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Language, as counts
Speakerwordsquestionshedgesexclamationsexpletiveschecklistsnon-pertinent lines
Captain8,19863346580489
First officer1,621687118118
Observer / jumpseat19200000

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03:31:54.1CAHOT-1ah what kinda winds are we poppin' I can't even remember any more. they're not light (weight) either I can't find a sock with a light on it. ahh there's one.p.9
03:32:01.6FOHOT-2and there's over- I can't tell where that's goin' thought.p.9
03:32:03.4CAHOT-1I can tell yeah.p.9
03:32:07.4CAHOT-1fun #.p.9
03:32:10.9FOHOT-2you you all right?p.9
03:32:12.3CAHOT-1yeah just tired. too late for this #. act of & to get this airplane outta here. you know what I mean?p.9
03:32:23.6FOHOT-2yeah.p.9
03:32:24.3CAHOT-1#.p.10
03:32:26.4CAHOT-1by the time you get done doin' everyone else’s job you don't have time to do your own. that' a problem with this airline. when I power up ah turn the wings on.p.10
03:32:35.9FOHOT-2okay.p.10
03:32:38.5CAHOT-1when I start doin' missed just go click, and I'll say set thrust you need * * * *.p.10
03:32:43.8FOHOT-2okay.p.10
03:32:46.1CAHOT-1we're waiting for parallel traffic that's why he said nobody on final position and hold clear.p.10
03:32:51.8FOHOT-2okay.p.10
03:32:52.4CAHOT-1get yeah we're at thirteen minutes right now * *. if I went to very light which this is very light now we'd be legal. yeah.p.10
03:33:00.4FOHOT-2okay.p.11
03:33:00.8CAHOT-1on type one *.p.11
03:33:02.7FOHOT-2I see what you're sayin'.p.11
03:33:03.9CAHOT-1if we were empty like we were the other night I'd done type one 'cause we were number one for departure.p.11
03:33:14.6CAHOT-1this really a short runway for a major airport.p.11
03:33:16.9FOHOT-2this one?p.11
03:33:17.5CAHOT-1yeah you know for one of the long ones.p.11
03:33:18.4FOHOT-2* (well how long is it?) it's nine thousand feet long?p.11
03:33:21.4CAHOT-1eight thousand.p.11
03:33:22.1FOHOT-2eight thousand.p.11
03:33:22.8CAHOT-1yeah.p.12
03:33:25.9CAHOT-1you know for bein'-.p.12
03:33:26.3ATCTWRand forty seven twelve caution wake turbulence have a DC eight departed off of runway four two minutes ago wind three six zero at one two runway three zero right heading of three one zero cleared for takeoff.p.12
03:33:32.0◦CAM[sound of increasing background noise].p.12
03:33:36.7FORDO-2alright three one zero cleared for takeoff Flagship ah forty seven twelve.p.12
03:33:39.7CAHOT-1set thrust.p.12
03:33:42.6FOHOT-2thrust set.p.12
03:33:43.4CAHOT-1alright.p.12
03:33:45.1CAHOT-1three one zero on the heading.p.12
03:33:46.3FOHOT-2three one zerop.13
03:33:47.3CAHOT-1thanks.p.13
03:33:48.2CAHOT-1ha ha (I'm gonna) * (all these up).p.13
03:33:51.0FOHOT-2eighty knots.p.13
03:33:51.5CAHOT-1checks.p.13
03:34:01.1FOHOT-2V one, rotate.p.13
03:34:04.2FOHOT-2V two.p.13
03:34:06.1FOHOT-2positive rate.p.13
03:34:07.2CAHOT-1gear up.p.13
03:34:09.7CAHOT-1speed mode.p.13
03:34:16.9◦CAM[sound of decreasing background noise].p.13
03:34:19.4CAHOT-1heading mode.p.14
03:34:22.9CAHOT-1heading's active.p.14
03:34:24.1FOHOT-2okay.p.14
03:34:26.2ATCTWRFlagship forty seven twelve turn right heading of three six zero and contact departure good night.p.14
03:34:31.3FORDO-2roger three six zero (over to) departure Flagship forty seven twelve.p.14
03:34:34.5CAHOT-1bug two hundred flaps up.p.14
03:34:41.3CAHOT-1excellent * *.p.14
03:34:55.3FORDO-2and Minneapolis departure Flagship forty seven twelve is turning heading three six zero through two thousand seven hundred for seven thousand.p.14
03:35:02.0ATCDEPFlagship forty seven twelve Minneapolis departure radar contact.p.14
03:35:05.5FORDO-2roger.p.15
03:35:06.1CAHOT-1hah. yeah. great.p.15
03:35:07.3FOHOT-2#.p.15
03:35:07.9FORDO-2thanks.p.15
03:35:10.6CAHOT-1this plane didn't want to speed up, did it?p.15
03:35:16.7CAHOT-1took (that) long to get to two hundred knots. and being way below the flight director, don't know what the deal is with that.p.15
03:35:24.0FOHOT-2(I don't know).p.15
03:35:26.5CAHOT-1alright two fifty go ahead and thrust climb checks.p.15
03:35:27.1FOHOT-2* *.p.15
03:35:31.2CAHOT-1alright two fifty.p.15
03:35:32.1ATCDEPFlagship forty seven twelve climb maintain one seven thousand.p.16
03:35:34.0FOHOT-2no. oh two fifty.p.16
03:35:35.5CAHOT-1one seven seventeen thousand.p.16
03:35:38.3CARDO-1one seven seventeen thousand Flagship forty seven twelve.p.16
03:35:42.5FOHOT-2#.p.16
03:35:45.2CAHOT-1*.p.16
03:35:49.4CAHOT-1you keep (going) into this box trying to get climb thrust and you won't get # for flying (though) seventeen because the APUs runnin'.p.16
03:35:55.9FOHOT-2okay.p.16
03:35:56.6CAHOT-1alright.p.16
03:35:59.1FOHOT-2ignition off. or actually never mind. continuous ignition.p.17
03:36:00.9CAHOT-1yeah do your flow.p.17
03:36:02.6FOHOT-2*?p.17
03:36:02.6CAHOT-1sure do your flow.p.17
03:36:04.0FOHOT-2okay.p.17
03:36:05.8CAHOT-1probably turn the autopilot on so I can (watch) check this. good much better # I'm not gonna turn it on.p.17
03:36:10.9FOHOT-2'kay continuous ignition off.p.17
03:36:12.6CAHOT-1yeah.p.17
03:36:13.2FOHOT-2'kay.p.17
03:36:13.6CAHOT-1alright.p.17
03:36:15.1CAHOT-1don't stop up here, right here? over here.p.18
03:36:17.9FOHOT-2n'kay.p.18
03:36:18.3CAHOT-1down here.p.18
03:36:20.8CAHOT-1alright? I don't know what flow you were doin' in the sim but it's.p.18
03:36:21.7FOHOT-2alright.p.18
03:36:26.9CAHOT-1fuel.p.18
03:36:28.3CAHOT-1APU. lights. thrust reversers. box. check your ECS pages. and (box) it up * * * you know what I'm sayin' just do it. you can turn my wing off if you would we're good.p.18
03:36:43.1FOHOT-2alright. * Think so?p.18
03:36:49.5HOTHOT-?* * * * (armed) .p.18
03:36:53.1FOHOT-2okay climb check complete.p.19
03:36:54.3CAHOT-1alright.p.19
03:36:57.6CAHOT-1better you're not depressurizing the airplane, you know so.p.19
03:37:02.8CAHOT-1it's partially my fault 'cause I make you guys fly so much.p.19
03:37:06.0CAHOT-1you haven't done non-flying but like two times. (in the airplane). from takeoff, you know.p.19
03:37:12.1FOHOT-2yeah right okay.p.19
03:37:12.9CAHOT-1right.p.19
03:37:18.2CAHOT-1(havin' trouble) piece a #.p.19
03:37:39.4CAHOT-1this is the hardest day, rest days are cake, you know, easier. tomorrow's four legs and we got two legs and three legs.p.19
03:37:47.9FOHOT-2alright.p.20
03:37:48.4CAHOT-1you you know what I mean?p.20
03:37:50.0CAHOT-1alright.p.20
03:37:51.1FOHOT-2ten thousand.p.20
03:37:51.5CAHOT-1bug two ninety. box (items).p.20
03:37:55.0FOHOT-2* *.p.20
03:37:57.1CAHOT-1you keep spinnin' those knobs the wrong way when did that start?p.20
03:37:59.8FOHOT-2aho *.p.20
03:38:00.3CAHOT-1aha every # knob you grab today is like goin' the wrong way. [sound of chuckle]. that's why my flight director went # jerked up on the speed (mode) trying to get me to V two.p.20
03:38:10.2FOHOT-2[sound of chuckle].p.21
03:38:11.0ATCDEPFlagship forty seven twelve cleared direct STEIN resume Wellstone One departure.p.21
03:38:14.6FORDO-2alright direct STEIN ah Wellstone One Flagship forty seven twelve.p.21
03:38:16.4CAHOT-1Wellstone One.p.21
03:38:19.2ATCDEProger.p.21
03:38:20.1HOTHOT-?* * * * * *.p.21
03:38:24.3CAHOT-1legs page, legs page, legs, (STEIN).p.21
03:38:30.1FOHOT-2*.p.21
03:38:31.2CAHOT-1execute, execute.p.21
03:38:31.5FOHOT-2*? (execute).p.21
03:38:34.0CAHOT-1nav mode. [sound of chuckle]. * * *. [sound of chuckle]. * * *.p.22
03:38:34.8FOHOT-2*.p.22
03:38:44.8FOHOT-2and seatbelt sign.p.22
03:38:51.0CAHOT-1no * no I don't wanna turn it off. * let 'em sleep.p.22
03:38:54.7FOHOT-2alright.p.22
03:38:55.2CAHOT-1check see if we're still in the clouds yeah a little bit.p.22
03:39:01.0CAHOT-1ah there's-.p.22
03:39:01.5ATCDEPFlagship forty seven twelve contact Minneapolis center one three three point seven.p.22
03:39:06.0FORDO-2one three three point seven for F- Flagship forty seven twelve.p.22
03:39:26.0FORDO-2Minneapolis departure Flagship forty seven twelve through ah twelve thousand for seventeen.p.23
03:39:31.6ATCCTRFlagship forty seven twelve Minneapolis center roger climb and maintain flight level two three zero.p.23
03:39:36.0FORDO-2roger two three zero Flagship forty seven twelve.p.23
03:39:41.6CAHOT-1(truly) gonna kick your #.p.23
03:39:41.8FOHOT-2& I did it again.p.23
03:39:44.1CAHOT-1that's (gonna) # somebody up, spin it aggressively when you're below the altitude that this guys climbin' too.p.23
03:39:49.5FOHOT-2okay.p.23
03:39:50.0CAHOT-1[sound of chuckle].p.23
03:39:51.2CAHOT-1twenty three yeah twenty three.p.23
03:39:51.4FOHOT-2(I) two three zero. two three zero.p.24
03:40:00.3CAHOT-1[sounds similar to sigh and yawn] ah #.p.24
03:40:05.2FOHOT-2heading bug.p.24
03:40:06.8CAHOT-1you can set it again if you'd like, yeah.p.24
03:40:11.8CAHOT-1this plane smells like # # I'll bet she's got like old lady # or something you smell that? comes in from up here you can feel the air. so you know when the stink stays it wasn't the pilot that # you 'cause the pilots farts come up underneath and go out of the way.p.24
03:40:25.8FOHOT-2[sound of chuckle].p.24
03:40:34.6CAHOT-1* just started today, I don't know what your doing there, all you knobs are goin' the wrong way, time to go to sleep when.p.24
03:40:39.3FOHOT-2[sound of chuckle].p.24
03:40:51.9CAHOT-1* * * (can't tell what she get?)p.25
03:40:53.3ATCCTRFlagship forty seven twelve cleared direct Traverse City.p.25
03:40:56.5CARDO-1roger direct Traverse City Flagship forty seven twelve.p.25
03:40:59.9FOHOT-2Traverse City the VOR?p.25
03:41:02.6CAHOT-1I usually ask we we got both but ah what's the distance difference?p.25
03:41:04.6FOHOT-2ahhh.p.25
03:41:08.1CAHOT-1five miles why don't we the tr- VOR, when in doubt do the VOR, so, the VOR, oh you got okay execute.p.25
03:41:11.9FOHOT-2alright there it is, (that's right?), confirm?p.25
03:41:19.1CAHOT-1(let's) say what vertical speed autopilot on.p.25
03:41:20.0FOHOT-2*.p.26
03:41:21.8FOHOT-2"kay vertical speed. autopilot on.p.26
03:41:23.0CAHOT-1fishin' all over the place * *. alrightp.26
03:41:23.8FOHOT-2autopilot on.p.26
03:41:26.2CAHOT-1and autopliot engaged your side. that's what I usually say when I kick *.p.26
03:41:29.4FOHOT-2oh yeah okay.p.26
03:41:30.3CAHOT-1you see it go green? your side is (red).p.26
03:41:30.6FOHOT-2* autopilot on your side alright.p.26
03:41:33.8CAHOT-1most guys *. alright if I keep it in speed mode and say autopilot on it'd say two ninety five right now [sound of chuckle] 'cause I'm not on speed. know what I mean?p.26
03:41:41.4FOHOT-2okay.p.27
03:41:43.4CAHOT-1and it might do some of that #. we're out of the clouds right now, still not. alright.p.27
03:41:52.5CAHOT-1aw I'm tired dude, just # worn out.p.27
03:41:57.4CAHOT-1(just) not in the mood to have the the # match that that coulda turned into with dispatch. ya know?p.27
03:42:02.7FOHOT-2yeah.p.27
03:42:03.9CAHOT-1I'm gonna find out about the legalities of peak wind versus base wind.p.27
03:42:09.0FOHOT-2yeah ah what is that is it peak wind or the base wind, (like gust)?p.27
03:42:09.4CAHOT-1I'm gonna check in the *.p.27
03:42:13.9CAHOT-1yeah I I think he's gonna be right 'cause that's just too out there for them to come up with on their own, I think it's Northwest engineering that gave that to 'em.p.28
03:42:20.7FOHOT-2yeah I mean what.p.28
03:42:21.5CAHOT-1so.p.28
03:42:22.0FOHOT-2you would think it would be gust.p.28
03:42:23.6CAHOT-1ahh well it's kinda like main body and temporary. you know what I mean but.p.28
03:42:28.0FOHOT-2yeah.p.28
03:42:28.5CAHOT-1I can't legally start the approach 'cause a gust would exceed my tailwind component.p.28
03:42:32.6FOHOT-2right but if at the main body-p.28
03:42:33.3ATCCTRFlagship forty seven twelve contact Minneapolis center one three three point seven five have a good night.p.29
03:42:38.6FORDO-2alright three three seven five you too Flagship forty seven twelve.p.29
03:42:45.7FORDO-2Minneapolis center Flagship forty seven twelve through flight level one eight zero for flight level two three zero.p.29
03:42:51.5ATCCTRFlagship forty seven twelve Minneapolis center climb and maintain flight level two seven zero.p.29
03:42:55.7FORDO-2ah flight level two seven zero Flagship forty seven twelve.p.29
03:42:59.2FOHOT-2two seven zero.p.29
03:43:02.6CAHOT-1*.p.29
03:43:07.4FOHOT-2two seven zero?p.29
03:43:08.1CAHOT-1two seven zero.p.30
03:43:08.9FOHOT-2okay and a eighteen hundred transition.p.30
03:43:12.1CAHOT-1eighteen transition when you're callin' through eighteen.p.30
03:43:13.8FOHOT-2right yeah.p.30
03:43:15.6CAHOT-1and altitude. should be a big clue to hit the.p.30
03:43:18.5FOHOT-2oh okay.p.30
03:43:18.9CAHOT-1so that you can get on the right altitude.p.30
03:43:21.4CAHOT-1[sound of laughter] the eight hundred or a thousand foot different altitude. you know what I mean?p.30
03:43:24.8FOHOT-2okay.p.30
03:43:26.4CAHOT-1they know why your altitude's not matchin'.p.30
03:43:35.9CAHOT-1[sound of inhalation] oh #.p.31
03:43:41.2CAHOT-1tomorrow your gonna be thrown into a more stressful situation with Detroit 'cause you just haven't been there before. but I want you to be more relaxed in the airplane.p.31
03:43:49.9FOHOT-2alright.p.31
03:43:50.1CAHOT-1It's another five leg day so now it's been a third of your flyin' today.p.31
03:43:53.6FOHOT-2tomorrow's a five leg?p.31
03:43:54.6CAHOT-1no today was.p.31
03:43:56.0CAHOT-1so this is been a third of all the flying you've done in the airplane. you should feel more comfortable with all this crap on the ground.p.31
03:44:02.7FOHOT-2alright.p.31
03:44:03.3CAHOT-1good to you?p.31
03:44:05.5FOHOT-2there're something’s that don't (know).p.32
03:44:07.2CAHOT-1* * you you get a list of question * tomorrow morning *.p.32
03:44:08.7FOHOT-2(right).p.32
03:44:12.0CAHOT-1the ah.p.32
03:44:13.9CAHOT-1like what?p.32
03:44:16.4FOHOT-2ah like ah when you have to amend it. a little bit, like.p.32
03:44:19.7CAHOT-1okay, we do that on the ground.p.32
03:44:21.3FOHOT-2okay.p.32
03:44:21.9CAHOT-1we'll talk about it it. see that MCDU?p.32
03:44:25.3CAHOT-1little message? hit MCDU see what pops up.p.32
03:44:25.3FOHOT-2yes.p.33
03:44:27.9FOHOT-2do MCDU?p.33
03:44:29.6CAHOT-1yeah then watch what happens.p.33
03:44:30.6FOHOT-2yeah?p.33
03:44:30.9CAHOT-1yeah.p.33
03:44:31.8FOHOT-2'kay.p.33
03:44:32.7CAHOT-1now hit ACARS.p.33
03:44:35.4CAHOT-1check it out it popped right up to you en-route page. pretty cool, eh?p.33
03:44:40.5FOHOT-2that is cool.p.33
03:44:44.1CAHOT-1now the MCDU went away [sound of chuckle].p.33
03:44:56.2CAHOT-1probably gonna do a DME arc to this approach, the arcs are built funny in the box, it's built off the radial so it pretty much says.p.34
03:45:07.8CAHOT-1X Y Z radial I'll show you how to build it, if you instead of taking vectors you have to take the r- you know DME arc.p.34
03:45:14.4FOHOT-2what's her name?p.34
03:45:15.6CAHOT-1&.p.34
03:45:16.3FOHOT-2&?p.34
03:45:16.6CAHOT-1aw # I don't know it's on the carbon copy of the one before.p.34
03:45:20.0FOHOT-2okay.p.34
03:45:20.9CAHOT-1[sound of chuckle].p.34
03:45:21.8FOHOT-2oh alright.p.34
03:45:24.6CAHOT-1I couldn't think of that # mechanics name I think it's &.p.35
03:45:27.5FOHOT-2K O V A R (F).p.35
03:45:30.1CAHOT-1[sound of chuckle].p.35
03:45:40.5CAHOT-1so you and I need to sit down at about noon for a two o'clock shuttle. you know? * maybe we should eat breakfast together like nine or ten in the morning you know?p.35
03:45:49.6FOHOT-2alright.p.35
03:45:50.2CAHOT-1we'll find out when their breakfast stops, we'll go down there and we'll eat breakfast. I'm gonna try to work out if they got a workout room sometime, then we'll meet at noon.p.35
03:46:00.6CAHOT-1then we'll go through amendments. if they're gonna go through this flow # ('cause it's still) you still doin' goofy #. you know.p.35
03:46:10.2CAHOT-1I just don't want you to # a guy by setting the wrong altitude and you guys are * off of (five) and, towers trying to call you for ten # minutes while your sittin' on ground and ground comes up and goes Flagship blah blah you still with me? you know what I mean. you miss four or five departure slots. [sound of chuckle].p.36
03:46:25.7FOHOT-2yeah.p.36
03:46:30.2CAHOT-1ah. I don't want you trying to start an engine we got an (ITT) of two hundred C, # like that.p.36
03:47:02.6FOHOT-2it took us forty five minutes to get off.p.36
03:47:05.7CAHOT-1** (it) * take, ('cause we got a) [sound of chuckle].p.36
03:47:07.4FOHOT-2yeah.p.36
03:47:14.6CAHOT-1so on that page besides the (book) what else do we do?p.36
03:47:20.8FOHOT-2(do) * an in range.p.36
03:47:22.6CAHOT-1no on on just this page we're still en-route here, we got some things to do on that page, what are they? ah read it see if there is anything you wanna put in there.p.37
03:47:34.2FOHOT-2* gate return, gate hold, gate request, ah estimated.p.37
03:47:39.3CAHOT-1gate request. and you can just.p.37
03:47:42.1FOHOT-2just hit edit?p.37
03:47:43.0CAHOT-1yeah.p.37
03:47:43.8FOHOT-2alright.p.37
03:47:44.4CAHOT-1gives you the gate, flags yes or no, and you’re good to takeoff * * *. so *. those are the three things your doing and actually four if you count the book. takeoff landing ID.p.37
03:47:53.9FOHOT-2okay.p.37
03:47:56.7FOHOT-2alright.p.38
03:47:57.5CAHOT-1select it.p.38
03:47:59.4CAHOT-1*, cool.p.38
03:47:59.4FOHOT-2alright.p.38
03:48:03.2CAHOT-1'* * gate two you got a new terminal building in Traverse City, I remember watchin' it get built so I have an idea where it is, but I've never parked at and they say on their NOTAMS that all the ah markings for the parking spots aren't there so we have to line-up with the guys hips.p.38
03:48:17.5FOHOT-2okay.p.38
03:48:18.8CAHOT-1so my understanding is we used to park here under the control tower and that's the new terminal over there.p.38
03:48:29.5CAHOT-1and so two eight be a left turn off probably at the complete # end.p.38
03:48:38.0CAHOT-1well we know what runway we're doin. [sound of chuckle].p.39
03:48:39.8FOHOT-2[sound of chuckle].p.39
03:48:40.5CAHOT-1where we're goin' missed so you can go ahead prepare for twenty eight.p.39
03:48:43.2FOHOT-2alright.p.39
03:48:44.3CAHOT-1[sound of chuckle].p.39
03:48:46.8FOHOT-2twenty five minutes out, okay.p.39
03:48:52.1FOHOT-2ILS two eight.p.39
03:48:53.2CAHOT-1yup.p.39
03:48:54.9CAHOT-1when you select it I would do.p.39
03:48:56.7FOHOT-2vectors?p.39
03:48:58.0CAHOT-1ah # I wonder what arc we're gonna do. we're gonna have to re-select that why don't keep it on vectors right now.p.40
03:49:03.9FOHOT-2what's the what's the ah?p.40
03:49:06.6CAHOT-1alright?p.40
03:49:07.0FOHOT-2hours you think?p.40
03:49:07.9CAHOT-1we're so late that the tower's not open I guarantee it.p.40
03:49:11.2FOHOT-2alright.p.40
03:49:11.6CAHOT-1alright.p.40
03:49:12.6CAHOT-1so without a tower center's gonna transition us either on the north arc or south arc.p.40
03:49:15.8ATCCTR(Flagship) forty seven twelve contact Minneapolis center one two three point seven two.p.40
03:49:21.0FORDO-2Minneapolis center one two three point seven two forty seven twelve. *.p.41
03:49:25.6FOHOT-2two three.p.41
03:49:32.1AWOAWOS[Hartwell AWOS report].p.41
03:49:36.5CAHOT-1well that's obviously the wrong frequency. that's obviously the, well we'll leave it up.p.41
03:49:43.9FOHOT-2it was *.p.41
03:49:51.4CAHOT-1maybe he was readin' it to a pilot, sounded likep.41
03:49:51.4AWOAWOSbut.p.41
03:49:54.7FOHOT-2yeah it did.p.41
03:49:55.5CAHOT-1s' give 'em a shot.p.41
03:49:56.3FORDO-2and Minneapolis center Flagship forty seven twelve through ah flight level two five zero to ah flight level two seven zero.p.41
03:50:02.5CAHOT-1it's drivin' me nuts.p.42
03:50:02.9ATCCTRFlagship forty seven twelve Minneapolis center roger.p.42
03:50:06.2CAHOT-1alright your at seven hundred feet above two five oh.p.42
03:50:09.2FOHOT-2okay.p.42
03:50:10.1CAHOT-1two five eight two six oh but not two five.p.42
03:50:12.3FOHOT-2okay.p.42
03:50:13.2FOHOT-2two five sev- alright.p.42
03:50:13.7CAHOT-1so flight level two five eight for two seven zero.p.42
03:50:16.6FOHOT-2alright.p.42
03:50:17.4CAHOT-1*.p.42
03:50:20.0CAHOT-1so if you gonna round it to the next thousand round it to one that your closest too, I been doin' that alot but I like, everyone out here * two six oh. two six one two six two for two seven oh.p.43
03:50:30.1FOHOT-2* * two seven zero. *.p.43
03:50:30.5CAHOT-1two seven zero * alright.p.43
03:50:32.8FOHOT-2alright.p.43
03:50:34.2◦CAM[sound of altitude warning tone].p.43
03:50:34.3CAHOT-1so that's the radio etiquette. twenty six for twenty seven.p.43
03:50:37.9FOHOT-2twenty six for twenty seven.p.43
03:50:41.4FOHOT-2alright you wanna do vectors or you just don't know-p.43
03:50:43.7CAHOT-1let's do vectors.p.43
03:50:44.5CAHOT-1ahm I'm trying to show you something though if they give us- * ah you selected it so # it [sound of chuckle].p.44
03:50:51.4FOHOT-2(I thought you said vector) *.p.44
03:50:52.4CAHOT-1yeah but I a don't you don't have to select vectors.p.44
03:50:54.8FOHOT-2alright. *.p.44
03:50:55.2CAHOT-1* * *, a you don't have to select it 'cause it automatically does it. but.p.44
03:50:58.7FOHOT-2alright.p.44
03:50:59.7CAHOT-1here's twenty eight. I was trying to show you that's the arc for the ah the * south arc 'cause it's arcin' off the one eight zero radial. see that?p.44
03:51:00.8FOHOT-2alright.p.44
03:51:12.2FOHOT-2*. alright wait where is it?p.44
03:51:17.0CAHOT-1alright ** alright why don't we do this I'm I'll do this I'm gonna go to plane view alright.p.45
03:51:22.2FOHOT-2okay.p.45
03:51:23.1CAHOT-1if I can get the right, alright. alright. ahh if I if I can get down to a scale that alright check this out, I'm gonna select this arc.p.45
03:51:35.6FOHOT-2okay.p.45
03:51:35.9CAHOT-1see the south arc the one eighty eight zero radial?p.45
03:51:37.1FOHOT-2oh wow yes.p.45
03:51:39.0CAHOT-1okay I'm gonna cancel mod. we go ILS two eight and I'm gonna do this arc. that's not the arc that's the procedure turn. see the procedure turn pop up?p.45
03:51:49.7FOHOT-2procedure turn.p.45
03:51:50.4CAHOT-1so guess what if we get the fifteen DME arc, the north arc, that is not in this database.p.46
03:51:56.9CAHOT-1you see that okay so if he gives the north arc we're goin' green needles. or I'm building an arc in the databasep.46
03:51:56.9FOHOT-2got 'em yes.p.46
03:52:03.6FOHOT-2'kay.p.46
03:52:04.1CAHOT-1I can zero three five zero two five. I'm sorry zero four five zero five five. zero six five very short arc isn't it?p.46
03:52:10.2FOHOT-2okay.p.46
03:52:13.9CAHOT-1shorter'n it looks 'cause that's the lead-in radial at zero six five.p.46
03:52:17.0FOHOT-2thirty five * five.p.46
03:52:17.6CAHOT-1well I’m just showin' ya but since we don't know what we're gettin'.p.47
03:52:20.8FOHOT-2fifteen DME.p.47
03:52:21.5CAHOT-1just select two eight you don't have to select vectors, when you selected vectors all this went away, it's already selected.p.47
03:52:21.6FOHOT-2okay.p.47
03:52:29.4CAHOT-1so if I go into legs right now Traverse City I gotta put my airport back in 'cause it always drops it when you have a runway that you pass the airport come back.p.47
03:52:39.9FOHOT-2okay.p.47
03:52:40.3FOHOT-2alright my airports back in two eight's there it is vectors right?p.47
03:52:44.2FOHOT-2alright.p.47
03:52:44.8CAHOT-1I didn’t have to select it and confirm and execute. see it on my plane view.p.48
03:52:48.8FOHOT-2alright.p.48
03:52:49.7CAHOT-1cool, okay. but that’s how a DME arc works. Helena Montana, doesn't have a ah database for the arc that we always use.p.48
03:52:55.0FOHOT-2* *.p.48
03:53:00.5FOHOT-2okay.p.48
03:53:01.1CAHOT-1so you have to either build it or fly it green needles and when gettin' checked out the first time as a captain.p.48
03:53:06.5FOHOT-2right.p.48
03:53:07.0CAHOT-1ah you have to do it ah green needles we have to check you out green needles. * *.p.48
03:53:11.9CAHOT-1so I to teach you how to do the white needles let your FO watch how good your doin' development I'm not gonna make guys do green needles that's the place I refuse to go in and give an (OE) to or do a check out till I've been there the other day last week.p.49
03:53:16.3FOHOT-2[sound of chuckle] *.p.49
03:53:26.6CAHOT-1okay.p.49
03:53:27.3FOHOT-2alright.p.49
03:53:28.2CAHOT-1so we're done with that and we got two eight in there.p.49
03:53:30.6FOHOT-2thirty minutes out so we can do a.p.49
03:53:32.3CAHOT-1we're forty four still (no it not) so we got some time.p.49
03:53:33.5FOHOT-2alright. alright.p.49
03:53:35.6CAHOT-1chill out relax shoot something if you want to eat you # doughnut whatever [sound of chuckle] I'm gonna eat this bad #.p.50
03:53:35.7FOHOT-2* *.p.50
03:53:41.9FOHOT-2I totally forgot about my doughnut man.p.50
03:53:43.7CAHOT-1aww.p.50
03:53:56.0CAHOT-1eh turned my cowls off finally.p.50
03:53:57.7FOHOT-2(name at) last meal.p.50
03:54:03.6CAHOT-1I'm getting nine E weather.p.50
03:54:06.3FOHOT-2okay alright.p.50
03:54:18.3CAHOT-1this is funny since towers closed.p.50
03:54:24.0FOHOT-2alright.p.50
03:54:24.5CAHOT-1the weather that we get won't be from tower It'll be from Northwest so I guarantee ya the weathers gonna be legal.p.51
03:54:28.9FOHOT-2[sound of chuckle] oh my &.p.51
03:54:32.0CAHOT-1that's # up.p.51
03:54:32.9FOHOT-2isn't that?p.51
03:54:35.1CAHOT-1that is so # up. on a sixty five hundred foot runway dude no less.p.51
03:54:39.2FOHOT-2who request weather?p.51
03:54:40.3CAHOT-1I just did (messages) comin'.p.51
03:54:42.1FOHOT-2is that Northwest weather or is that METAR?p.51
03:54:44.0FOHOT-2yea a METAR.p.51
03:54:45.0CAHOT-1It's a METAR but Northwest generates it.p.51
03:54:47.5FOHOT-2okay.p.52
03:54:48.6CAHOT-1yeah the weather observer over at Traverse City it's a Northwest meteorological station, keeps the government from having to pay for it let's Northwest do # like this.p.52
03:54:53.2◦HOTcell call, cell call. [electronic voice].p.52
03:54:59.4CAHOT-1(it's at) zero four zero at eight. less of a tailwind 'cause they got ten more degrees off.p.52
03:55:04.9FOHOT-2alright.p.52
03:55:06.0CAHOT-1or actually we'll see.p.52
03:55:08.5FOHOT-2zero four zero?p.52
03:55:10.9◦HOT[sound of single short electronic tone].p.52
03:55:12.6FOHOT-2check it real quick?p.52
03:55:13.7CAHOT-1yeah I'm trying to think of degrees (does) **.p.53
03:55:21.7FOHOT-2or.p.53
03:55:28.6CAHOT-1I don't know, I can't do my math. well two eight zero is only ten off of # west so hah that'd be a one hundred runway, right? so.p.53
03:55:33.3FOHOT-2see what it is.p.53
03:55:39.4CAHOT-1sixty degree instead of a fifty degree now it's sixty degrees which lowers * the tailwind component also.p.53
03:55:41.9FOHOT-2right. right.p.53
03:55:46.0CAHOT-1so mile and a half light snow eighteen hundred so we're gettin' in there.p.53
03:55:51.8CAHOT-1I'll let the flight attendant know.p.53
03:55:56.4CAHOT-1so she d' have to worry 'bout it anymore.p.53
03:55:59.9FOHOT-2eighty, eighty plus forty. it's a hundred twenty degrees.p.54
03:56:07.3FAFAyeah.p.54
03:56:07.7CAINT-1hey hey.p.54
03:56:08.7FAFAhey hey.p.54
03:56:09.0CAINT-1how ya doin' ah the weather the winds have dyin' down a little bit the later we get here so we're good to get into Traverse City I just wanted to let you know so you didn't have to worry about it.p.54
03:56:17.7FAFAterrific.p.54
03:56:18.6CAINT-1alright we're about ah forty minutes out.p.54
03:56:21.3FAFAokay good.p.54
03:56:22.3CAINT-1awesome.p.54
03:56:23.1FAFAthank you very much.p.55
03:56:23.5CAINT-1alright talk to you little bit. alright.p.55
03:56:24.8FAFAyup.p.55
03:56:38.5FOHOT-2* in the runway forty.p.55
03:56:40.3CAHOT-1tell ya what I hate wakin' people up but, I'm gonna talk to these people we've already # delayed the # out of 'em, it’s a smooth ride, I want them to know that we're gettin' into Traverse City 'cause alot of them overheard us talkin' about Detroit, ya know?p.55
03:56:53.9FOHOT-2alright just yeah make it like short sweet.p.55
03:56:55.1◦HOT[sound of single short electronic tone].p.55
03:56:56.7CAPA-1a ladies and gentlemen from the ah flight deck welcome once again we do apologize for the delays gettin' out and the delays on the ground ah good news is the winds are dying down significantly in ah Traverse City so it's looks like we're gonna have no problems gettin' in this evening. ah weather right now is mile and a half visibility light snow overcast skies, ah winds out of the northeast at ten miles per hour right now, turned the seatbelt sign off remain seated * seatbelt fasted we're showing about ah thirty minutes left en-route * * *.p.56
03:57:02.9FOHOT-2* * * * * * *.p.56
03:57:40.1FOHOT-2like twenty degrees.p.56
03:57:42.1CAHOT-1well its only off the tail, it's a one hundred runway it's a zero four zero so that's sixty degrees.p.56
03:57:50.1FOHOT-2alright I though it was a hundred twenty degrees.p.56
03:57:51.9CAHOT-1well from the other way it is, but it's a from tail.p.56
03:57:54.1FOHOT-2alright.p.56
03:57:56.7FOHOT-2right.p.57
03:57:57.1CAHOT-1your relative wind is forty degrees this angle right here is forty degrees.p.57
03:58:00.8FOHOT-2okayp.57
03:58:01.3CAHOT-1see what I mean?p.57
03:58:02.2FOHOT-2right.p.57
03:58:02.6CAHOT-1er I'm a sorry sixty not forty sixty.p.57
03:58:04.6FOHOT-2alright so you'd go you'd go to sixty degrees?p.57
03:58:06.6CAHOT-1so I'd come yeah its says come out and then wind velocity.p.57
03:58:09.1FOHOT-2* right here? and it's eight knots?p.57
03:58:11.1CAHOT-1it's only eight which obviously can't have a ten knot tailwind component. so it's like six knot tailwind.p.58
03:58:17.1FOHOT-2alright.p.58
03:58:18.0CAHOT-1that's (funny) so I'll be on the bottom of the (bug).p.58
03:58:22.6FOHOT-2it's not too *.p.58
03:58:22.8CAHOT-1yeah it won't be too bumpy down there, there's a pretty good hill out there man there's a pretty good a piece a terrain. hah.p.58
03:58:29.5FOHOT-2terrain is not good?p.58
03:58:30.9CAHOT-1it's not bad it just when your on a visual if you out far enough.p.58
03:58:34.7FOHOT-2yeah.p.58
03:58:35.6CAHOT-1airport eleven's ah six forty but look at that tower out there two thousand feet. that's fourteen hundred foot difference on the arc you see on the arc highest terrain?p.59
03:58:37.3FOHOT-2oh shoot **?p.59
03:58:47.2CAHOT-1there you gonna see that arrow look how high the highest terrain is right there, fourteen hundred feet above airport elevation so if your doing a base to final on a visual at night into Traverse City you become very familiar with that hah tower 'cause pattern altitude if you just add fifteen hundred feet, to airport elevation's only twenty one hundred, fifty feet higher than that tower so you you wanna pick a different pattern altitude when you come in here at night, doing base to final #.p.59
03:58:58.6FOHOT-2yeah.p.59
03:59:15.6FOHOT-2alright.p.59
03:59:16.2CAHOT-1ah non-controlled environment we'll probably do the south arc, he'll give us a heading to join the ah * fly heading one five zero join the fifteen DME arc cleared ILS runway two eight change to advisory frequency approved notify me on the ground this frequency or missed approach blah blah blah, yeah. and on CTAF give him some iams- IFR to joint the fifteen DME arc but also tell 'em that we're east south east of the field we're a regional jet they don't know what a Flagship is we'll be landing runway two eight any other traffic in the area please advise, so we'll have CA- CTAF on one and we'll listening to center on two when he hands us over so that we always have radio contact whenever the # hits the fan.p.60
04:00:06.0FOHOT-2where the where this yeah I'm looking for thep.60
04:00:06.0CTACTAFright now.p.60
04:00:06.2FOHOT-2where at.p.60
04:00:09.0CAHOT-1tower frequency.p.60
04:00:10.6FOHOT-2alright.p.60
04:00:13.9CAHOT-1says CTAF.p.60
04:00:15.3FOHOT-2yeah.p.61
04:00:15.5CAHOT-1twenty four two.p.61
04:00:23.4CAHOT-1alright dude. * you have the radios just have fun with nobodies listening to you (anyhow it's too) late at night they're on eastern time so it's twelve o'clock there already and we're.p.61
04:00:38.2CAHOT-1* two eight but that's what were doin' weather we like it or not, ahm there's no arrival procedure we'll plan our descent (on and on) so I'd like to have thirty out at the VOR ah eleven thousand feet when you get a chance.p.61
04:00:51.6FOHOT-2okay.p.61
04:00:52.5CAHOT-1ah I'll tell ya what you do it now and we'll just drag (it out) the VOR * thirty out at eleven.p.61
04:01:00.0FOHOT-2okay.p.61
04:01:06.6CAHOT-1[sound similar to yawn] your back's gonna be sore from being in that seat leaning over to type hah shorter you are the worse it is.p.62
04:01:14.6FOHOT-2confir- ah confirm?p.62
04:01:15.4CAHOT-1ah put put my eleven thousand in there then we'll execute it. put your eleven thousand over.p.62
04:01:21.1FOHOT-2oh eleven thousand.p.62
04:01:22.3CAHOT-1yup that how I get my descent planning.p.62
04:01:24.4FOHOT-2alright.p.62
04:01:25.4CAHOT-1without that I got no VNAV.p.62
04:01:30.8CAHOT-1execute.p.62
04:01:31.5FOHOT-2alright * execute.p.62
04:01:34.3CAHOT-1alright so that's our descent ah two Jan oh June oh six what do you have on your chart? It's eleven dash one.p.63
04:01:43.8FOHOT-2*.p.63
04:01:46.9FOHOT-2eleven dash one t- January second, yup. I concur.p.63
04:01:50.1CAHOT-1alright ah good, ILS two eight (ten) seven almost set twice. set twice. two seventy nine's inbound twenty five forty nine over GWENN. you wanna pop that in there also? twenty five forty nine over GWENN. eight twenty is decision height ah eight seventeen sorry eight twenty in the window.p.63
04:02:03.7FOHOT-2alright * * * twenty nine forty nine.p.63
04:02:15.4CAHOT-1if we have to go missed its climb to eleven hundred before we turn then we turn left to three thousand direct to the VOR so that's cake. alright it'll be white needles auto tune you know what I mean? so heading sync heading mode * to four hundred feet autopilot on.p.63
04:02:29.6FOHOT-2alright.p.63
04:02:30.3CAHOT-1yada yada yada. alright and that's a teardrop entry. that requires half mile visibility right now we have it. not by much but we have it.p.64
04:02:41.1FOHOT-2alright.p.64
04:02:41.5CAHOT-1alright any equipment goes out we're lookin' at three quarters of a mile anything else goes bad we're goin' to # Detroit.p.64
04:02:47.7FOHOT-2[sound of chuckle].p.64
04:02:49.3CAHOT-1ah we'll take one look at it if it's nasty we're you know if we go missed we're going Detroit unless it's my fault and we got fuel for it.p.64
04:02:55.6FOHOT-2alright.p.64
04:02:56.5CAHOT-1ah it's a left turn off at the end sixty five hundred feet * gonna tell ya what better look at what I got on that. I got ah HIRLS MASLRS and no VASI at all that is some #.p.64
04:03:11.6FOHOT-2no # VASI?p.64
04:03:12.5CAHOT-1no just HIRL MASLRS that's great. just gets better.p.65
04:03:16.9FOHOT-2got MALSRS though.p.65
04:03:18.3CAHOT-1yeah ya got MALSRS.p.65
04:03:19.9FOHOT-2no VASI though.p.65
04:03:20.9CAHOT-1no VASI so hundred and fifty feet wide sixty five hundred feet long. cha ching. any questions?p.65
04:03:30.8FOHOT-2[sound similar to sigh] no questions.p.65
04:03:33.3CAHOT-1* approach ah complete you can execute that I don't know what well what'd ya do wait a minute.p.65
04:03:34.9FOHOT-2(off) okay.p.65
04:03:40.6CAHOT-1yeah okay that’s right execute, and I'll tell ya what you ah execute.p.65
04:03:42.4FOHOT-2*.p.66
04:03:44.4FOHOT-2eh ah twenty five forty nine?p.66
04:03:46.2CAHOT-1yeah something’s not right on that.p.66
04:03:47.4FOHOT-2twenty five forty nine.p.66
04:03:48.4CAHOT-1yeah twenty five forty nine.p.66
04:03:51.6CAHOT-1[sound of chuckle] * * * * *.p.66
04:03:55.9FOHOT-2and alright and ah let's se I'm gonna get the landing weight and the numbers.p.66
04:04:00.4CAHOT-1'kay you go ahead and execute that though so we don't get another caution * so twenty eight ten twenty five forty nine execute. [sound similar to prolonged yawn while speaking].p.66
04:04:05.3FOHOT-2'kay.p.66
04:04:06.2CAHOT-1yep.p.67
04:04:06.6FOHOT-2alright. execute. alright.p.67
04:04:07.8CAHOT-1'kay. now you can figure out your weights.p.67
04:04:09.8FOHOT-2alright.p.67
04:04:16.5CAHOT-1yeah we give up four hundred pounds # around with that. good thing he gave me all that gas.p.67
04:04:22.3FOHOT-2let see * forty one.p.67
04:04:28.7FOHOT-2let's how much gas we gonna land with here.p.67
04:04:33.8CAHOT-1your not guessin' you know.p.67
04:04:35.6FOHOT-2alright.p.67
04:04:36.0CAHOT-1forty one six is your (zero) fuel weight.p.67
04:04:38.6FOHOT-2okay.p.67
04:04:39.6CAHOT-1forty six six. I'm comin' up with forty six two if you round their way it's forty six three.p.68
04:04:46.4FOHOT-2forty six three it's not forty seven (thou-)?p.68
04:04:48.3CAHOT-1yup.p.68
04:04:49.0FOHOT-2'kayp.68
04:04:51.4CAHOT-1good, short runway night snow tailwind heavy airplane, love it. [sound of laughter] ya know?p.68
04:05:02.8CAHOT-1the public's in good hands with Allstate you know what I mean?p.68
04:05:07.2FOHOT-2the way it's always is.p.68
04:05:08.5CAHOT-1it is. it is by the time you get done doin' everyone else’s job you don't have time for your own. and you'll f- know what I'm talkin' about when you get goin' you know what I mean?p.68
04:05:09.1FOHOT-2one forty seven [sound of chuckle].p.68
04:05:17.3CAHOT-1you'll make a stupid # mistake that almost cost you your life and when you look at it it's gonna be because you were doin' somebody else’s fixin' somebody else’s mistake.p.69
04:05:27.5CAHOT-1I'm not talkin' about as a check airmen I'm talkin' about dispatches mistake, load controls mistake, rampers not showin' up. you know?p.69
04:05:37.2CAHOT-1temperature drops like five to ten degrees below zero at Mini and they have a forty percent sick call rate. hah. so.p.69
04:05:50.4FOHOT-2alright speeds are set.p.69
04:05:51.9CAHOT-1alright.p.69
04:05:53.2FOHOT-2alright do an in-range?p.69
04:05:54.2CAHOT-1alright so what'd you edit out there?p.69
04:05:56.8FOHOT-2one forty.p.69
04:05:58.4CAHOT-1alright * * display hanging like this *. * * set it on the runway * *.p.70
04:05:59.8FOHOT-2*.p.70
04:06:02.4FOHOT-2alright forty seven on the runway?p.70
04:06:04.0CAHOT-1execute.p.70
04:06:04.6FOHOT-2alright.p.70
04:06:05.2CAHOT-1don't leave the box hanging guys look down and go what the # d'ya do?p.70
04:06:07.9FOHOT-2okay.p.70
04:06:08.4CAHOT-1[sound of chuckle] and then he won't believe that you did what you did so hit cancel mod make you do it again. you know what I mean?p.70
04:06:14.4CAHOT-1alright so ATIS is we tried to get ATIS its ah.p.70
04:06:18.3ATCCTRFlagship forty seven twelve change to my frequency one three two point niner.p.71
04:06:22.3CAHOT-1watch this don't answer.p.71
04:06:25.4CAHOT-1now answer we're on your frequency thirty two niner.p.71
04:06:28.6FORDO-2roger forty seven twelve with you forty ah thirty two niner.p.71
04:06:32.2CAHOT-1theyup.p.71
04:06:32.7ATCCTRFlagship forty seven twelve Minneapolis center Traverse City altimeter is two niner five five. descend pilots discretion maintain one one thousand.p.71
04:06:38.5CAHOT-1(excellent).p.71
04:06:44.0CAHOT-1PD eleven.p.71
04:06:44.7FOHOT-2two niner niner five?p.71
04:06:45.8CAHOT-1yup.p.72
04:06:47.1FORDO-2alright pilots discretion down to ah one one thousand two niner niner five for Flagship ah forty seven twelve.p.72
04:06:52.6ATCCTRroger.p.72
04:06:54.2CAHOT-1alright so PD to eleven right?p.72
04:06:55.9FOHOT-2alright.p.72
04:06:56.3CAHOT-1pilots discretion.p.72
04:06:57.6FOHOT-2so.p.72
04:06:59.9FOHOT-2okay.p.72
04:07:00.6CAHOT-1thank you, * * * (choice) till you set it.p.72
04:07:03.4FOHOT-2alright.p.72
04:07:04.1CAHOT-1so I'm * * my top of descent. that's why I set it.p.73
04:07:06.1FOHOT-2okay.p.73
04:07:08.0CAHOT-1see why we do that thirty out? awesome. eleven.p.73
04:07:14.6CAHOT-1say it when you set it.p.73
04:07:15.5FOHOT-2oh ahw eleven thousand (set confirm).p.73
04:07:15.8CAHOT-1eleven, set checks.p.73
04:07:18.2FOHOT-2*.p.73
04:07:18.9CAHOT-1(that it?)p.73
04:07:20.0FOHOT-2alright.p.73
04:07:22.1CAHOT-1might wanna rock and roll * we'll be on the ground in about.p.73
04:07:25.2FOHOT-2have to get landing data and all that but.p.73
04:07:26.8CAHOT-1yup.p.74
04:07:28.8FOHOT-2my *.p.74
04:07:32.4CAHOT-1love that arrival page it's not it's not active till the door opens but you love to look at it.p.74
04:07:38.6CAHOT-1[sound of chuckle].p.74
04:07:42.0CAHOT-1ah we do need to do that so we we need something in there yeah. alright.p.74
04:07:42.5FOHOT-2* * * * er range.p.74
04:07:47.3CAHOT-1shouldn't have any specials but we.p.74
04:07:48.6FOHOT-2and the time is gonna be?p.74
04:07:51.4CAHOT-1thirty eight oh four thirty eight.p.74
04:07:53.0FOHOT-2(four is ah) * * *?p.74
04:07:54.2CAHOT-1I'll talk to * about that but right now I just want you to throw a number in it you know what I mean? I'm happy if you remember to do it.p.75
04:08:00.7CAHOT-1alright.p.75
04:08:01.0CAHOT-1then we'll talk about what & was talkin' about * * *.p.75
04:08:02.8FOHOT-2any any no we're not doin' that. (ah I missed the night page). * * *? no.p.75
04:08:05.2CAHOT-1no we're not doin' any more flyin' today. no.p.75
04:08:10.1FOHOT-2any wheelchairs anything?p.75
04:08:11.4CAHOT-1not a thing. just hit send.p.75
04:08:14.3FOHOT-2alright. * *.p.75
04:08:22.7◦HOTcell call, cell call [electronic voice].p.75
04:08:23.8CAHOT-1'kay wait on that don't even look at (so doesn't) * * * go (9E) request.p.76
04:08:28.2FOHOT-2alright.p.76
04:08:29.2CAHOT-1landing two eight. that way we don't have to (listen to) the cell call twice now hit send. you can actually watch it (in) message come in, see here's our in-range watch's it pop up and then you'll know. see how we didn't get a cell call your ears don't hurt.p.76
04:08:45.0FOHOT-2ahuh.p.76
04:08:50.0CAHOT-1* * would take this # out. and it was gate two forty seven max landing flaps eight go around.p.76
04:08:57.3FOHOT-2alright.p.76
04:08:57.8CAHOT-1thirty two degrees OPS forty seven (card) that's what they said that agreed agreed with us right?p.76
04:09:04.4CAHOT-1so he told me PD to eleven when I start this descent you need to report that descent * * two seven zero for eleven.p.77
04:09:12.8FOHOT-2okay.p.77
04:09:13.5CAHOT-1alright. it's.p.77
04:09:16.5FOHOT-2two seven zero for eleven.p.77
04:09:17.7CAHOT-1yup say we're s- starting down whatever you wanna say leavin' two seven zero for eleven. hey thanks. keeps 'em heads up a what we're doin' how we doin' our descent planning.p.77
04:09:25.7FOHOT-2alright.p.77
04:09:26.6CAHOT-1alright alright so, we've got ATIS kinda, almost.p.77
04:09:31.6FOHOT-2alright.p.77
04:09:32.4CAHOT-1we gettin' it? see what's our ATIS it's a nineteen seventeen.p.77
04:09:37.5FOHOT-2nineteen seventeen. alright. want me to get it over here?p.78
04:09:47.1CAHOT-1[sound similar to yawn] oh shyot.p.78
04:09:52.0AWOAWOSTraverse City (Cherry Capital) airport automated weather observation-p.78
04:09:52.9CAHOT-1* * * log overnight to a average overnight [sound of chuckle]p.78
04:09:56.8AWOAWOSzero four zero-p.78
04:09:58.0FOHOT-2* * .p.78
04:09:58.4AWOAWOS* *-p.78
04:09:59.0CAHOT-1no.p.78
04:09:59.2AWOAWOSwind zero four zero at zero seven, visibility-p.78
04:10:03.8CAHOT-1*.p.78
04:10:04.3AWOAWOSone and one half light snow sky condition (two) niner hundred broken one thousand five hundred overcast two thousand two hundred temperature zero zero Celsius dewpoint minus zero one Celsius altimeter two niner five four remarks.p.79
04:10:28.5CAHOT-1two niner five four?p.79
04:10:29.8AWOAWOShours of operation are seven AM local time till tenp.79
04:10:29.8PMPMlocal time the frequency for * * *-p.79
04:10:34.1CAHOT-1way off what he gave us.p.79
04:10:35.2AWOAWOSone niner point one seven five common * advisory frequency is one two four point two pilot operator approach lighting is available on one two four point two for IFR services contact Minneapolis center on one three two point niner for additional services contact (Lancing) radio on one two two point (two) or one two two point six five.p.79
04:10:54.4CAHOT-1alright, good?p.79
04:10:55.6FOHOT-2yup.p.79
04:10:56.2CAHOT-1okay couple things that are different about this airport, nobody's gonna tell you cleared to land.p.80
04:11:02.1FOHOT-2right.p.80
04:11:02.5CAHOT-1so these need to come on when you know your gonna land.p.80
04:11:06.0FOHOT-2alright.p.80
04:11:06.3CAHOT-1alright.p.80
04:11:07.2CAHOT-1if it's nasty gnarly out don't turn 'em on you'll just blind yourself in the clouds.p.80
04:11:12.4FOHOT-2alright.p.80
04:11:12.9CAHOT-1you know use just your recog maybe just your nose light. you know. just these no nose feel out see what you see better with.p.80
04:11:19.5FOHOT-2alright.p.80
04:11:19.7CAHOT-1they reflect right back in your face.p.81
04:11:21.3FOHOT-2alright.p.81
04:11:21.9CAHOT-1alright.p.81
04:11:22.7CAHOT-1ahm CTAF controlled lighting it's just like Hot Spring if we don't key up the lights. we're not seein' the runway 'cause they're gonna be on at all.p.81
04:11:30.0FOHOT-2shh really? oh my &.p.81
04:11:31.9CAHOT-1alright?p.81
04:11:32.0FOHOT-2got it, yeah.p.81
04:11:33.6CAHOT-1CTAF calls we already talked about tell 'em who you are where you are what you are they don't know what a Flagship is. big difference between an CRJ comin' around an arc and a one fifty. one fifty take ten minutes do it we'll it about a minute and a half. [sound of chuckle] ** you know.p.81
04:11:48.5FOHOT-2okay.p.82
04:11:49.0CAHOT-1so.p.82
04:11:49.9FOHOT-2why don't why we have the arc up?p.82
04:11:54.8CAHOT-1I don't know if we're gonna get it yet I know what kinda * coverage he has but I'm gonna ask him some things here in a second 'cause he reported what we read back we read back two niner seven five for an altimeter and they're reporting two niner five five. somebody else is two niner five six so I think the current's two niner five six. but he he'll give us another one when he gives us lower. if he gives us anything that diff- grossly different we want to check it again right now I'm gonna set five five 'cause that's what ATIS has and I've heard give some other ones that were five six five five.p.82
04:12:27.0FOHOT-2alright.p.82
04:12:29.8CAHOT-1oh I'm gonna say goodbye to the folks then we'll start descending.p.82
04:12:36.5CAPA-1ah ladies and gentlemen from the ah flight deck short flight as promised once airborne we gonna be a begin our descent here in about two minutes seatbelt signs comin' back on be on the ground about fifteen minutes and we do apologize once again for the delays today ah park at gate two the weather hasn't changed must since talked to you last ah winds still out of the northeast tens miles per hour temperatures ah just above freezing right now thirty ah three degrees Fahrenheit thank you once again for choosing Northwest Northwest Airlink as your carrier have a good night.p.83
04:12:44.2◦HOT[sound of single electronic chime].p.83
04:13:10.3CAHOT-1ya ya, alright.p.83
04:13:14.6CAHOT-1couldn't remember the # temperature, told 'em it was just above freezing.p.83
04:13:23.8FOHOT-2ah since we have radar why can't they they can vector onto the approach can't they?p.83
04:13:28.5CAHOT-1I don't that they have radar coverage if the tower is a visual tower anyhow. I don't know where their radar coverage stops they got terrain at two thousand feet and arc at thirty somethin' hundred feet. thirty five hundred foot arc and terrain at two thousand I doubt they have very good radar coverage.p.84
04:13:45.0FOHOT-2okay.p.84
04:13:45.3CAHOT-1so I don't know that's why I'm puttin' in if he can vector us and ha- we don't get below his minimum vectoring altitude then he can give us the clearance, ya know?p.84
04:13:54.8FOHOT-2ya right.p.84
04:13:55.1CAHOT-1he may even be able to give us the fifteen DME fix.p.84
04:14:00.9CAHOT-1yeah.p.84
04:14:05.0CAHOT-1but we'll see or he may say ah a procedure turn [sound of chuckle]. we may * have do the Traverse City and go do the GWENN go out and do a procedure turn.p.85
04:14:18.8FOHOT-2alright.p.85
04:14:19.5CAHOT-1you know if we do that we'll be we'll at two hundred knots when we hit Traverse City VOR so it keeps the radius close and tight.p.85
04:14:26.9FOHOT-2okay.p.85
04:14:28.6CAHOT-1it fly’s actual map it doesn't do timing like when we used to hack timing out it fly’s an actual map so you don't get outside of your protected airspace.p.85
04:14:38.1FOHOT-2okay.p.85
04:14:49.2CAHOT-1but yeah be ready to have to build the box no big deal.p.85
04:14:53.4FOHOT-2see we got all the data for everything?p.85
04:14:56.1CAHOT-1we're ready to rock.p.86
04:14:57.1FOHOT-2* ready to rock.p.86
04:14:57.8CAHOT-1yeah we've already briefed it.p.86
04:14:59.6FOHOT-2'kay.p.86
04:15:01.2CAHOT-1you still you got forty seven (cards) and that speeds are all set.p.86
04:15:06.0FOHOT-2alright.p.86
04:15:08.0CAHOT-1I'm gonna start down.p.86
04:15:10.4FOHOT-2okay.p.86
04:15:16.3CAHOT-1just go ahead and tell 'em we're leav-p.86
04:15:16.5FOHOT-2*.p.86
04:15:17.4CAHOT-1naw just tell 'em we're leavin' two seven zero for eleven.p.87
04:15:22.1CAHOT-1ah give 'em a second aw he just went missed hah.p.87
04:15:25.4FOHOT-2outta where?p.87
04:15:26.0CAHOT-1I don't know he said say intentions so he just went missed.p.87
04:15:30.2CAHOT-1(that's great) * give 'em give 'em a second.p.87
04:15:37.2CAHOT-1[sound of chuckle].p.87
04:15:39.1CAHOT-1guess his intentions were to go back shoot another approach [sound of laughter]. ouch.p.87
04:15:46.4CAHOT-1oh a thirty seven.p.87
04:15:46.7FOHOT-2ah yeah.p.87
04:15:49.6CAHOT-1just tell 'em hey for- center Flagship forty seven twelve's starting down.p.88
04:15:54.1FORDO-2and Minneapolis center forty seven twelve starting down.p.88
04:15:59.0CAHOT-1* *.p.88
04:16:04.6CAHOT-1ah so we'll transition to two ninety 'cause we're descendin'.p.88
04:16:08.1FOHOT-2'kay.p.88
04:16:18.4FOHOT-2your right my back does hurt man.p.88
04:16:20.4CAHOT-1yup. throwin' bags around bendin' over for ACARS doin' walkarounds lookin' up in wheel wells and pullin' hatches and. so it * a wonder how (&) and some of these * these old FOs do it.p.88
04:16:32.8ATCCTRFlagship forty seven twelve descend pilot's discretion maintain five thousand.p.88
04:16:38.0FORDO-2pilot's discretion down to five thousand Flagship forty seven twelve.p.89
04:16:43.1CARDO-1ah I knew you gave it to us once could you ah re- check our altimeter to Traverse City for forty seven twelve.p.89
04:16:48.5ATCCTRcertainly can the Traverse City altimeter is, two niner five five.p.89
04:16:54.6CARDO-1I appreciate it two niner five five for forty seven twelve.p.89
04:16:57.7FOHOT-2five thousand set.p.89
04:16:59.0CAHOT-1five thousand set.p.89
04:17:04.8CAHOT-1alright, so as a flying pilot right now you gotta be real careful you don't blow through ten thousand doin' two hundred ninety knots. right.p.89
04:17:13.5FOHOT-2rightp.89
04:17:13.6CAHOT-1with the altitude set we're in a vertical mode this is when guys do it. now I think we're back in the clouds and we're below forty again.p.90
04:17:21.3FOHOT-2'kay.p.90
04:17:21.9CAHOT-1piece of crap. [sound of chuckle] it's hard at night you know all these reflections look like stars so it's hard to tell. eleven hundred left turn three thousand to the VOR that's easy enough.p.90
04:17:33.5FOHOT-2alright left turn direct to the VOR.p.90
04:17:35.3CAHOT-1yeah. after eleven hundred feet which eleven hundred feet's about five hundred AGL so right after (having gone) we'll start turning.p.90
04:17:44.1CAHOT-1* *.p.90
04:17:58.4ATCCTRand Flagship forty seven twelve do you have the current weather for Traverse City?p.90
04:18:02.1FORDO-2that's affirmative Flagship forty seven twelve.p.90
04:18:14.3CAHOT-1I usually tell 'em then you know that's affirmative we * like to land two eight? you know there's no it's a VOR Alpha we could do but (our assured to land) a thousand and three, I don't think last time we checked we had that right what's the ceiling at?p.91
04:18:29.1FOHOT-2it's a broken at ahp.91
04:18:32.2CAHOT-1we don't have a three.p.91
04:18:33.1FOHOT-2nine hundred.p.91
04:18:34.1CAHOT-1okay yeah we don't have that either. alright. but he knows, he's (further near) Traverse City * * # it.p.91
04:18:42.4FOHOT-2alright.p.91
04:18:43.4CAHOT-1'kay these are pieces of #. I * * a wet dog ready to go to sleep tonight dude. (I'm ready).p.91
04:18:56.4FOHOT-2not bad.p.91
04:19:05.0CAHOT-1you're not gonna be a rock star when you get on line that's what six hundred eight hundred hours of flyin's for. know what I mean?p.92
04:19:11.7FOHOT-2alright.p.92
04:19:12.7CAHOT-1you're not gonna be a rock star.p.92
04:19:17.8CAHOT-1but I just wanna make sure your Jackin' people you know. so you're gettin' closer and closer to that. I don't like this trend of flyin' worse instead of flyin' better. you know what I mean. and we'll, eh tomorrow we'll have you hand flyin' I'm not gonna fly any more legs. so * Detroit's got big runways and it's gonna be a little windy 'cause this'll still be pushin' out * * shorts * kick your #. * descent check.p.92
04:19:48.9FOHOT-2descent check.p.92
04:20:09.2FOHOT-2alright seatbelt signs?p.92
04:20:10.7CAHOT-1on.p.92
04:20:11.7FOHOT-2alright pressurization?p.93
04:20:12.7CAHOT-1set.p.93
04:20:13.4FOHOT-2fuel?p.93
04:20:13.8CAHOT-1check.p.93
04:20:14.9FOHOT-2and check.p.93
04:20:15.9FOHOT-2altimeters?p.93
04:20:17.6CAHOT-1ah two niner five five left is there showin' seventeen two.p.93
04:20:20.9FOHOT-2and two niner five five seventeen two * * landing data?p.93
04:20:25.7FOHOT-2set right.p.93
04:20:26.4CAHOT-1set left.p.93
04:20:28.2FOHOT-2CAS check.p.94
04:20:30.2CAHOT-1clear.p.94
04:20:41.1FOHOT-2# I'm tired. approach briefing.p.94
04:20:43.4CAHOT-1complete.p.94
04:20:44.0FOHOT-2descent check complete.p.94
04:20:45.1CAHOT-1ah I just looked in here for somethin' whaddya think I was lookin' for?p.94
04:20:52.4CAHOT-1thirty fifty five, OPS frequency.p.94
04:20:55.2FOHOT-2alright.p.94
04:20:55.2CAHOT-1ah reason I'm doin' this * is I'm gonna get ah field conditions from 'em 'cause they're actually legally responsible for it.p.94
04:21:04.2CARDO-1ah Traverse City operations Flagship forty seven twelve.p.95
04:21:18.9CAHOT-1nobodies home nobodies home [in a singsong voice]. make sure I read it right. * * read * our alternates or somethin'. nope.p.95
04:21:32.3CAHOT-1probably not even there * decided to go home.p.95
04:21:36.4FOHOT-2*.p.95
04:21:36.9CARDO-1Traverse City operations Flagship forty seven twelve.p.95
04:22:04.0ATCCTRFlagship forty seven twelve I'm sorry did you say you had the weather at Traverse City?p.95
04:22:08.5CAHOT-1yeah. landing two eight, like to land.p.95
04:22:09.8FORDO-2that's affirmative ah F- Flagship a twenty or forty seven twelve landing two eight.p.95
04:22:16.1ATCCTRFlagship forty seven twelve roger fly present heading radar vectors ILS final approach course Traverse City say the heading.p.96
04:22:21.4HOTHOT-?*.p.96
04:22:22.9CAHOT-1heading's is now one oh five or one hundred.p.96
04:22:25.0FORDO-2roger heading's one oh five radar vectors ah for thep.96
04:22:25.0ILSILSah two eight for Flagship forty seven twelve.p.96
04:22:30.2ATCCTRroger.p.96
04:22:31.2FOHOT-2alright.p.96
04:22:31.7CAHOT-1alright.p.96
04:22:33.4CAHOT-1ah present heading so final heading so final NAV is set up this side this side.p.96
04:22:34.3FOHOT-2sweet.p.96
04:22:36.8FOHOT-2alright.p.97
04:22:40.1FOHOT-2I can drive 'em over though. drive 'em over [in a singsong voice]. put in the pink and make it big?p.97
04:22:46.0CAHOT-1okay let's do that. just don't go green till ya have it in final NAV.p.97
04:22:47.3FOHOT-2alright, alright.p.97
04:22:50.5CAHOT-1alright.p.97
04:22:53.2FOHOT-2alright CF two eight? what's a CF two eight? I'm s-p.97
04:22:58.8CAHOT-1twenty eight mile centerline fix.p.97
04:23:00.4FOHOT-2alright should I hit this?p.97
04:23:01.2CAHOT-1for runway two eight centerline fix, well you drove it right?p.97
04:23:04.1FOHOT-2no I haven't driven it yet.p.97
04:23:04.7CAHOT-1okay don't hit that.p.98
04:23:05.8CAHOT-1centerline fix for two eight it's not a twenty eight mile final it would be if it was on visual.p.98
04:23:08.0FOHOT-2alright (this).p.98
04:23:13.3CAHOT-1* page *.p.98
04:23:14.3FOHOT-2there ya go.p.98
04:23:16.1FOHOT-2*?p.98
04:23:17.5CAHOT-1make it big.p.98
04:23:18.4FOHOT-2alright.p.98
04:23:20.0CAHOT-1execute.p.98
04:23:20.0FOHOT-2confirm?p.98
04:23:22.4CAHOT-1good he does have coverage and we're * over ten seven.p.99
04:23:25.8FOHOT-2ten seven?p.99
04:23:26.8CAHOT-1alright.p.99
04:23:28.2FOHOT-2okay.p.99
04:23:28.8CAHOT-1just to # and giggle me go ahead and put ah Traverse City fourteen six in the standby.p.99
04:23:34.4CAHOT-1you gotta no let's set both of ours * * *. that's alright.p.99
04:23:34.6CAHOT-1cell call, cell call [electronic voice].p.99
04:23:38.2FOHOT-2got it.p.99
04:23:40.7CAHOT-1* *.p.99
04:24:00.1CAHOT-1good work champ.p.99
04:24:07.7CAHOT-1you can go ahead and do an approach check give her a little extra time.p.100
04:24:12.5FOHOT-2okay.p.100
04:24:13.0CAHOT-1blue green.p.100
04:24:16.9CAHOT-1and we’ll do that with a APU also 'cause of the conditions.p.100
04:24:24.2◦CAM[sound of electronic double chime].p.100
04:24:28.0FOHOT-2turn APU on?p.100
04:24:28.9CAHOT-1yeah.p.100
04:24:29.5FOHOT-2alright.p.100
04:24:47.2CAHOT-1alright and here's what I would do right now I'm gonna try OPS one more time but.p.100
04:24:50.1FOHOT-2'kay.p.100
04:24:51.8CARDO-1operations Traverse City Flagship forty seven twelve ya up?p.101
04:24:56.2FOHOT-2approach check complete.p.101
04:25:00.3CAHOT-1ahh last time we'll try that, alright.p.101
04:25:02.7CAHOT-1CTAF is what twenty four two?p.101
04:25:05.4CAHOT-1yeah.p.101
04:25:05.6FOHOT-2twenty four two.p.101
04:25:07.1CAHOT-1(yeah).p.101
04:25:07.5FOHOT-2I have it set.p.101
04:25:08.4FOHOT-2yeah.p.101
04:25:09.4CARDO-1Traverse City traffic ah Flagship forty seven twelve's regional jet we're ah to the west about twenty five miles be landing runway two eight any other traffic in please the area please advise Traverse City.p.102
04:25:14.3FOHOT-2got blue needles.p.102
04:25:22.3ATCOPShey fla- Flagship forty seven twelve this is airport operations how do you copy.p.102
04:25:26.6CARDO-1copy loud and clear.p.102
04:25:28.8FOHOT-2I don't hear anybody. nobody's in the pattern today.p.102
04:25:28.8ATCOPSI've got multiple pieces of equipment on the airfield here on two eight and I'm running numbers for you as we speak I'll call you back in two minutes.p.102
04:25:32.3CAHOT-1*.p.102
04:25:36.8CAHOT-1okay we're about a ahh probably thirteen minutes out ah at ah -p.102
04:25:43.6CAHOT-1he's got equipment on the runway this gets better.p.103
04:25:45.1ATCOPS(other) that standby for my number I got 'em up for ya just just second here.p.103
04:25:49.0CAHOT-1thank you sir.p.103
04:25:50.1FOHOT-2numbers? what what I'm I'm not - alright. what numbers is he talkin' 'bout?p.103
04:25:51.3CARDO-1thank you sir.p.103
04:25:55.6CAHOT-1ah runway conditions mu they mu readings I don't know if you * that in in your FOM. ah so he's got a truck driving up down the # taxiways see how our braking's gonna be.p.103
04:25:56.4FOHOT-2never mind.p.103
04:25:59.7FOHOT-2okay.p.103
04:26:08.8FOHOT-2alright. sound good.p.103
04:26:09.3CAHOT-1that works for me.p.104
04:26:15.2CAHOT-1hey they could be out there with # wind meters. [sound similar to chuckle.].p.104
04:26:17.6FOHOT-2[sound similar to chuckle.].p.104
04:26:18.6CAHOT-1just to keep Northwest from lyin'.p.104
04:26:22.0CAHOT-1alright well it's been two two minutes so you go transfer bleeds.p.104
04:26:24.8FOHOT-2alright.p.104
04:26:28.8CAHOT-1cool. I didn't expect OPS to call up but that's why we do that I guess.p.104
04:26:33.3FOHOT-2n' alright.p.104
04:26:33.8CAHOT-1sure suck to land on a backhoe or some #. [sound of chuckle] check this out, star wars.p.104
04:26:38.9FOHOT-2boy better- * * alright doesn't even feel like we're movin'.p.105
04:26:44.9CAHOT-1yeah heh well look look sideways. hey you should (flip) the strobes (on).p.105
04:26:49.9ATCOPSFlagship forty seven twelve airport operationsp.105
04:26:52.9CAHOT-1now on two.p.105
04:26:53.8FOHOT-2'kay.p.105
04:26:54.6CARDO-1yeah forty seven twelve go.p.105
04:26:56.5ATCOPSyeah I've forty plus runway two eight I've got thin wet snow or patchy thin ice ah give us about ah five eight minutes to clear the runway ah when you're ready to land here give us a call.p.105
04:26:58.6CAHOT-1that's mu.p.105
04:27:09.8CARDO-1ah you need five to eight minutes ah we're twelve minutes out we copied the ah forty mu or better on two eight thank you.p.106
04:27:17.7ATCOPSyeah okay we're gonna have these ah vehicles cleared off the second pass here and ah just keep us advised where you're at.p.106
04:27:19.5ATCCTR(the) SAAB *** turn left heading one one zero.p.106
04:27:23.8CARDO-1ah right now we're ah fifteen miles west of the field at ah *.p.106
04:27:26.8FORDO-2forty seven twelve one one zero.p.106
04:27:30.1ATCOPSokay and ah just a we'll we’ll I'll call you when we're clear.p.106
04:27:30.2ATCCTRah Flagship forty seven twelve negative that's for another aircraft.p.106
04:27:35.7CAHOT-1[sound of chuckle] alright.p.106
04:27:37.3FOHOT-2I got.p.107
04:27:45.4CARDO-1ah Center's forty seven twelve do you kinda keep contact with a airport ops in ah Traverse City when we come in here?p.107
04:27:52.3ATCCTRahhh no I do not keep ah in contact with airport ops.p.107
04:27:56.7CARDO-1alright we just called in range and apparently they've got some mu equipment on the runway for the next five to eight minutes so anywhere you wanna put us?p.107
04:28:04.8ATCCTRokay we'll just vector you out ah long here on thep.107
04:28:04.8ILSILSand ah when you feel comfortable you let me know we'll turn you back in.p.107
04:28:11.6CARDO-1okay we'll do that thank you.p.107
04:28:15.1FOHOT-2alright.p.107
04:28:15.7CAHOT-1Ahh I don't wanna be stuck (in this) go around just 'cause there's equipment on the runway, ya know?p.107
04:28:20.9FOHOT-2approach-p.108
04:28:21.6ATCOPSTraverse City Traffic snow removal equipment on all surfaces any aircraft in the area please advise Traverse City.p.108
04:28:29.1CARDO-1and ah as previously reported Flagship forty seven twelve's regional jet ah we're still about ten miles west of the field we're plannin' on a long downwind to ah give you guys some time just advise when clear.p.108
04:28:32.9◦CAM[sound similar to altitude alert chime].p.108
04:28:42.1ATCOPSroger that forty seven twelve I'll call when we're clear here.p.108
04:28:44.7CARDO-1thank you sirra.p.108
04:28:47.5CAHOT-1alright six for five.p.108
04:28:48.9ATCCTRand Flagship forty seven twelve show light ahhh precipitation 'bout ah twelve o'clock and three miles. and extending out to about fifty miles east of the field.p.109
04:28:49.9CAHOT-1* (quit).p.109
04:28:56.0CAHOT-1yup.p.109
04:29:00.6CAHOT-1thanks.p.109
04:29:01.3FORDO-2ah roger that thanks for for Flagship forty seven twelve.p.109
04:29:05.9CAHOT-1alright.p.109
04:29:09.7FOHOT-2'kay.p.109
04:29:10.5CAHOT-1there's snow removal on the field yet they're showing forty or better sounds like a contaminated # runway to me.p.109
04:29:17.1CAHOT-1you don't put snow equipment on a runway, this the same place that drove one # snow truck down centerline, they took it off so we could land. sounds alot that that gettin' ready to go on again.p.110
04:29:26.2CAHOT-1ALTs cap.p.110
04:29:26.3FOHOT-2ahuh.p.110
04:29:27.9CAHOT-1so I'll tell what I'll do is ah we'll bug two hundred, we'll just slow 'cause all we're trying to do is buy time right now.p.110
04:29:28.7FOHOT-2ALTs cap.p.110
04:29:33.7FOHOT-2sure.p.110
04:29:35.4CAHOT-1ahh fuel's good at four point seven. gonna' turn the wing on here a second.p.110
04:29:40.9FOHOT-2check.p.110
04:29:47.5CAHOT-1I mean if they're running a full gauntlet it's gonna take them ten minutes to just go down to the (mile), 'cause they got s- they got trucks that -p.111
04:30:02.2CAHOT-1alright wings on please.p.111
04:30:09.4CAHOT-1let's put GWENN in there too.p.111
04:30:11.1ATCCTRand Flagship forty seven twelve what's the current heading?p.111
04:30:15.0CAHOT-1one oh five.p.111
04:30:16.0ATCOPSand ah Flagship forty seven twelve airport ops how out are you now?p.111
04:30:16.1FORDO-2ah heading one oh five Flagship forty seven twelve.p.111
04:30:18.4ATCCTRFlagship forty seven twelve let's turn right to a heading of one one five.p.111
04:30:23.2FORDO-2turn to right one one five * Flagship forty seven twelve.p.111
04:30:24.6CARDO-1we could be on the ground in ah five minutes or ah we can extend this out for a ah ten or fifteen minutes. what do you need?p.112
04:30:32.7ATCOPS'kay I'm gonna get my va- vehicles off the runway right now and then ah then I can you can land at your discretion here I just got call get my plows off.p.112
04:30:40.7CARDO-1okay ah no hurries.p.112
04:30:45.6CAHOT-1I don't like that #.p.112
04:30:50.3CAHOT-1one one five on the heading (SWEARIG) is that all; *p.112
04:30:52.4FOHOT-2yep one one one one five.p.112
04:30:54.3CAHOT-1it's getting dicey on the radio. it's not you're fault that's this is weird as #. this is what happened to me at Pinnacle (&). but instead of our APU start he was savin' 'em money and trying to start it at the marker close and then failed. [sound of chuckle]. oh we had a lot of # goin' on.p.112
04:30:55.9FOHOT-2I know.p.113
04:31:16.5CAHOT-1I was goin' off your heading. because we first reported one oh five off of your heading and we never changed our heading.p.113
04:31:23.4FOHOT-2alright.p.113
04:31:24.0ATCOPSand forty seven twelve just second here I gotta get my last plow off the runway for ya.p.113
04:31:24.3CAHOT-1* *.p.113
04:31:28.3CARDO-1Wilco appreciate the help forty seven twelve.p.113
04:31:32.3CAHOT-1alright. I'm gonna talk to them * *.p.113
04:31:44.1CAHOT-1I wanna hear him say the truck's off before we actually get a (clearance) but.p.113
04:31:49.0CAHOT-1I'm thinkin' two to three miles past GWENN come back in let these boys do their thing.p.113
04:31:54.2FOHOT-2alright.p.114
04:31:55.4CAHOT-1at the speed we're doin'. you know I hope they didn’t leave trail marks. s' ya know.p.114
04:32:04.6CAHOT-1# me once shame on you # me twice shame on me. right?p.114
04:32:09.0FOHOT-2right.p.114
04:32:09.9CAHOT-1this same airport same # I bet we get down there and see a three foot snow bank go off-road.p.114
04:32:16.4ATCOPSand forty seven twelve all vehicles are clear of a runway two eight Traverse City.p.114
04:32:20.9CARDO-1excellent thank you very much ah we'll go ahead and turn in and Traverse City traffic Flagship forty seven twelve's regional jet I'll be doing the ILS 'bout two miles short of (CLINT) any traffic in the area please advise thanks guys.p.114
04:32:34.0CARDO-1ah forty seven twelve OPS advises all the vehicles are cleared.p.114
04:32:51.2CAHOT-1hoh. we just flagged the localizer off and on see how that goes.p.115
04:32:58.7ATCCTRand Flagship forty seven twelve say again.p.115
04:33:02.1CARDO-1yeah operations advises all vehicle clear of the runway we'll be ready for an approach when you are.p.115
04:33:07.2ATCCTRokay be about another ahh two minutes 'till I get you out far enough to turn you back in onto the ILS.p.115
04:33:12.4CARDO-1excellent thanks for the help.p.115
04:33:14.9CAHOT-1ahhh.p.115
04:33:15.1FOHOT-2sweet.p.115
04:33:18.5CAHOT-1[sound similar to sigh].p.115
04:33:20.5CAHOT-1dude * * can't win from losing today.p.115
04:33:24.4FOHOT-2jeeze.p.116
04:33:24.8CAHOT-1you know?p.116
04:33:25.3FOHOT-2yeah.p.116
04:33:25.7CAHOT-1just wanted a little somewhat standard flight for ya kinda let ya get your # up.p.116
04:33:35.1CAHOT-1feel like it was stopping on a dime have we done any short runways I guess Pensacola was sixty five for ya?p.116
04:33:40.4FOHOT-2lets go with * * * *.p.116
04:33:40.5CAHOT-1or seven thousand what was it seven or eight seven I guess.p.116
04:33:40.5FOHOT-2Pensacola sixty five.p.116
04:33:45.3FOHOT-2yeah this is gonna be short. (I don't care).p.116
04:33:46.5CAHOT-1yeah and at night it'll feel short too.p.117
04:33:50.9CAHOT-1with contaminant. more than likely.p.117
04:33:53.1ATCOPS* forty seven twelve you guys * * yet?p.117
04:33:56.7CARDO-1I'm sorry the other radio's going what's that?p.117
04:33:59.3ATCOPSyou guys inside GWENN yet?p.117
04:34:01.5CARDO-1ahh the Center wouldn't let us turn yet so we're about one minute prior to the turn.p.117
04:34:06.7ATCOPSokay roger that it's comin' down pretty good here so ahhh (guess) I'll see you on the ground here.p.117
04:34:09.5CAHOT-1hah snowing hard.p.117
04:34:11.7CARDO-1excellent thanks for the help tonight.p.117
04:34:15.3ATCCTRFlagship forty seven twelve descend pilot's discretion maintain three thousand five hundred.p.117
04:34:21.3FORDO-2three thousand five hundred Flagship forty seven twelve.p.118
04:34:23.3CAHOT-1I'll set it for you thirty five alright.p.118
04:34:24.3FOHOT-2alright thirty five set alright.p.118
04:34:29.5CAHOT-1ah go double chime her to set her down.p.118
04:34:31.8FOHOT-2double chime her.p.118
04:34:32.4CAHOT-1thanks.p.118
04:34:34.8◦CAM[sound of single warning chime].p.118
04:34:34.9◦HOT[sound of electronic chime].p.118
04:34:35.5CAHOT-1flaps eight.p.118
04:34:39.2FOHOT-2’kay.p.118
04:34:47.2FOHOT-2why is the PA on?p.118
04:34:48.3CAHOT-1(cause) she's telling them to sit the # down we've been cleared for the approach. put you seat backs in the upright position tray tables.p.119
04:34:50.0◦CAM[sound of single warning chime].p.119
04:34:55.8FOHOT-2what you want me to do that?p.119
04:34:57.4CAHOT-1no that's what she's doing you asked why the PA light's on. she's making her announcement which when you double chime her she has to do it.p.119
04:34:59.6FOHOT-2oh she's doing that.p.119
04:35:03.8CAHOT-1pretty cool huh?p.119
04:35:07.6CARDO-1Traverse City traffic Flagship forty seven twelve regional jet be turnin' about a ah fifteen mile final any other traffic please advise Traverse City.p.119
04:35:17.9CAHOT-1alt's cap.p.119
04:35:19.6FOHOT-2alt's cap.p.119
04:35:20.5CAHOT-1he's about (to) turn us is why I made that call.p.120
04:35:22.4ATCOPSforty seven twelve how many minutes is that? fifteen miles out?p.120
04:35:26.7CARDO-1I wish he'd a turned us sooner but we're about five minutes from ah touchdown.p.120
04:35:30.9ATCOPSokay I'll stay clear it's comin' down pretty good guys just to give ya a heads up.p.120
04:35:35.1CARDO-1ah how are the winds doin' fine?p.120
04:35:38.0ATCOPSI'm not sure what the winds are doing I know they're out of the east.p.120
04:35:40.7CARDO-1thank you.p.120
04:35:42.7ATCCTRFlagship forty seven twelve turn left to a heading of zero seven zero.p.120
04:35:46.3FORDO-2zero seven zero Flagship forty seven twelve.p.120
04:35:49.4CAHOT-1I guess that's all he's gonna give me eh? why don't we go ah flaps twenty bug one eighty.p.121
04:35:59.3CAHOT-1got a forty eight knot tailwind on this approach, see that?p.121
04:36:05.3FOHOT-2that's not good.p.121
04:36:06.5CAHOT-1that's gonna be fun. that's why I'm slowin' the # down. our groundspeed gonna be like I'm doin' two fifty at the marker.p.121
04:36:19.7CAHOT-1says it comin' down good which means its snowing like a # and we probably won't see the runway. so be ready for the missed if it is we're going to Detroit that's all we got.p.121
04:36:24.2FOHOT-2alright.p.121
04:36:30.1CAHOT-1come on center lets roll with this shot. (who knows) what these winds are doin' turns us turns us too sharp we'll miss the course. we'll miss the final approach fix.p.121
04:36:51.9CAHOT-1I don't know what his concern is about the.p.122
04:36:54.0FOHOT-2did (I) do final nav? yea well I am sure we did.p.122
04:36:57.2CAHOT-1you did.p.122
04:36:58.2FOHOT-2we did? yeah we did.p.122
04:36:58.8CAHOT-1we did. * green needles (auto) tune.p.122
04:37:01.2FOHOT-2(okay).p.122
04:37:02.0CAHOT-1don't touch a nothin'.p.122
04:37:02.9FOHOT-2no I'm not.p.122
04:37:05.0CAHOT-1come on dude I don't wanna go out into lala land let's go.p.122
04:37:23.2CAHOT-1ahhh # eh.p.122
04:37:25.4ATCCTRFlagship forty seven twelve turn left to ah heading of three four five.p.123
04:37:27.7ATCOPSforty seven twelve airport ops.p.123
04:37:30.7FORDO-2say heading one more time forty seven twelve.p.123
04:37:32.6ATCCTRFlagship forty seven twelve turn left heading three five five.p.123
04:37:33.4CARDO-1standby.p.123
04:37:36.1FORDO-2three five five Flagship forty seven twelve.p.123
04:37:39.1CARDO-1ah what's ya got guys.p.123
04:37:40.5ATCOPSI need to know if guys are gonna be landing soon 'cause I gotta this its fillin' n pretty quick down here so ah how far are you guys out?p.123
04:37:49.3CARDO-1yeah we're intercepting the localizer right now so ah four and a half five minutes at the most.p.123
04:37:54.4ATCOPSwho’s that?p.124
04:37:55.9CARDO-1got some funky winds up here it's ah tailwind of fifty knots on the approach and we're supposed to be shearing to an east wind so.p.124
04:38:03.2ATCOPSyeah I'm gonna I don't know what the ah conditions like * down the runway but I'm gonna call braking action NIL now. cause' it's fillin in real hard.p.124
04:38:04.3ATCCTRFlagship forty seven twelve turn left to a heading of three one zero.p.124
04:38:08.4FORDO-2three one zero Flagship forty seven twelve.p.124
04:38:10.3CARDO-1okay, (thanks).p.124
04:38:12.7CAHOT-1three one zero. so he sayin' it's a # runway's what he's tellin' me.p.124
04:38:13.6FOHOT-2three one zero.p.124
04:38:16.0FOHOT-2alright.p.124
04:38:16.7CAHOT-1(yeah).p.125
04:38:18.0CAHOT-1no our approach clearance yet?p.125
04:38:19.5FOHOT-2no approach clearance.p.125
04:38:21.4CAHOT-1see it will be like four minutes feel that groundspeed? feel that groundspeed go #.p.125
04:38:25.8FOHOT-2*.p.125
04:38:27.4FOHOT-2forty five knots.p.125
04:38:28.5CAHOT-1yeah. GWENNs the marker.p.125
04:38:29.7ATCCTRFlagship forty seven twelve maintain two thousand seven hundred until established on the localizer you're eight miles east of GWENN cleared ILS approach to the Traverse City airport fly heading three one zero to join the localizer.p.125
04:38:43.0FORDO-2cleared and maintain two thousand feet and turn heading ah three one zero join localizer Flagship forty seven twelve.p.126
04:38:48.9CAHOT-1two thousand seven hundred.p.126
04:38:49.8ATCCTRFlagship forty seven twelve I misheard the readback three ah two thousand seven hundred until established on the ah localizer.p.126
04:38:55.6FORDO-2(under) two thousand seven hundred until established ah Flagship forty seven twelvep.126
04:38:58.8CAHOT-1ah loc one glideslope armed twenty seven hundred set she's seated.p.126
04:39:05.5FOHOT-2alright.p.126
04:39:08.8CAHOT-1he's saying it's fillin' in so his runway's a foot deep of snow is what's he's tellin' me. so we're gonna be very careful on the thrust reversers we're gonna keep this # straight.p.126
04:39:18.8FOHOT-2'kay.p.126
04:39:21.7CAHOT-1I mean what kind of report's that it's filling in ya know doesn't tell me good bad fair poor.p.127
04:39:31.6CAHOT-1I went down so that we'd be below the glideslope when we catch. alt's cap.p.127
04:39:36.6FOHOT-2alt's cap.p.127
04:39:37.6CAHOT-1localizer's alive.p.127
04:39:39.8FOHOT-2loc two's armed. yeah.p.127
04:39:41.3CAHOT-1loc's alive it's comin' in.p.127
04:39:43.0FOHOT-2'kay.p.127
04:39:44.3CAHOT-1lo- ah eh.p.127
04:39:44.9ATCCTRFlagship forty seven twelve show you joining the localizer radar services terminated change to advisory frequency approved cancellation arrival time this frequency.p.127
04:39:54.8FORDO-2roger cancel with you ah Flagship forty seven twelve.p.128
04:39:57.5CAHOT-1change to advisory approved.p.128
04:39:58.6FORDO-2and change to advisory approved Flagship forty seven twelve.p.128
04:40:00.8CAHOT-1so lets put thirty two nine on two and we'll put twenty four two on one I got you cleared to land lights.p.128
04:40:06.6FOHOT-2thirty two nine on two.p.128
04:40:08.5CAHOT-1yeah.p.128
04:40:09.4CAHOT-1that's center so we can listen to 'em. put CTAF on one.p.128
04:40:16.2FOHOT-2alright on one.p.128
04:40:18.7CAHOT-1eh gear down flaps thirty bug one sixty.p.128
04:40:19.4FOHOT-2gear down.p.129
04:40:21.9◦CAM[sound of increased background noise].p.129
04:40:23.6◦HOT[sound similar to flap overspeed clacker].p.129
04:40:24.4CAHOT-1that’s alright it's within five knots makes it does it do it. bug one sixty.p.129
04:40:25.4FOHOT-2flaps thirty.p.129
04:40:29.5CAHOT-1glideslope's alive I don't know if I said that or not.p.129
04:40:34.9CAHOT-1eleven hundred feet first then left turn to three thousand is what we're gonna be doin'. flaps forty five ref plus factor before landing checklist. glideslope's active.p.129
04:40:43.8FOHOT-2'kay flaps forty five.p.129
04:40:46.1CARDO-1Traverse City traffic forty seven twelve's GWENN inbound.p.129
04:40:51.2CARDO-1it's about two minutes for you guys.p.130
04:40:53.1ATCOPSyeah we're all clear of the runway for ya and again ah brakin' actions probably NIL on the runway.p.130
04:40:57.4CARDO-1are you saying it's NIL?p.130
04:40:59.3ATCOPS(oh I) haven't been out there to do a field report and it's been ah five ten minutes so I don't know what it's doin' now.p.130
04:41:04.7CARDO-1okay.p.130
04:41:07.3CAHOT-1he's not reporting it NIL he's like he's sayin' its NIL. heh.p.130
04:41:14.8FOHOT-2all right landing gear down three green?p.130
04:41:16.1CAHOT-1down three green.p.130
04:41:16.8FOHOT-2alright flaps?p.130
04:41:18.3CAHOT-1ahh forty five indicated.p.131
04:41:19.8FOHOT-2forty five indicated. thrust reversers?p.131
04:41:20.5CAHOT-1that's you.p.131
04:41:21.2CAHOT-1alright.p.131
04:41:21.9FOHOT-2(now).p.131
04:41:23.1FOHOT-2are armed.p.131
04:41:24.4FOHOT-2flight attendant is notified we already dinged her before landing check complete.p.131
04:41:31.3CARDO-1about how deep of a contaminate would you say it is?p.131
04:41:33.9◦HOTone thousand [electronic voice].p.131
04:41:34.7ATCOPSI'd ah forty seven twelve I'd say it's probably close to half inch now.p.131
04:41:38.9CARDO-1okay that's not bad thank you.p.132
04:41:39.0FOHOT-2'kay.p.132
04:41:40.8FOHOT-2good.p.132
04:41:41.2CAHOT-1* we're allowed three inches. alright. and set my missed please three thousand we might need it if it looks ugly when we're comin' in I'll go around. (you know what I mean). made this mistake before. as long as there's no shovel you know marks and # half inch is nothin'. alright our decision height's eight twenty call me at nine twenty a hundred above.p.132
04:41:42.6FOHOT-2'kay.p.132
04:41:50.0FOHOT-2alright.p.132
04:41:54.8FOHOT-2alright.p.132
04:42:04.2FOHOT-2alright.p.132
04:42:05.2CAHOT-1if we go around just listen to what I'm sayin' what I'm callin' for 'cause there's a hill right off the twelve o'clock nose see that?p.133
04:42:12.4FOHOT-2okay.p.133
04:42:12.8CAHOT-1alright kinda a little hilly around here so don't forget to call my positive rate don't forget to get my gear up when I call for it flaps will go to eight not flaps twenty.p.133
04:42:15.3◦HOTfive hundred [electronic voice].p.133
04:42:19.1FOHOT-2alright.p.133
04:42:22.1FOHOT-2gotcha.p.133
04:42:24.3CAHOT-1and definitely not flaps up. let's heading sync that #. alright here we go. (now to get) this runway.p.133
04:42:29.5FOHOT-2okay.p.133
04:42:31.7FOHOT-2alright.p.133
04:42:35.2FOHOT-2got a hundred feet.p.134
04:42:36.7CAHOT-1alright.p.134
04:42:39.2CAHOT-1approach lights in sight.p.134
04:42:42.0CAHOT-1continuing. (runway) in sight. landing.p.134
04:42:42.9◦HOT[sound of autopilot disconnect cavalry charge] minimums [electronic voice].p.134
04:42:44.7FOHOT-2run ah runway in sight.p.134
04:42:49.1◦HOTone hundred [electronic voice].p.134
04:42:52.5◦HOTfifty [electronic voice].p.134
04:42:53.5◦HOTforty [electronic voice].p.134
04:42:54.3◦HOTthirty [electronic voice].p.134
04:42:55.5◦HOTtwenty [electronic voice].p.134
04:42:57.4◦HOTten [electronic voice].p.135
04:43:02.3◦CAM[sound of muted thump].p.135
04:43:03.7◦CAM[sound of muted thump followed by increased background noise consistent with an aircraft on landing rollout].p.135
04:43:04.4CAHOT-1#. [sotto voce].p.135
04:43:05.7FOHOT-2spoilers green.p.135
04:43:06.6◦HOT[sound of click].p.135
04:43:06.9CAHOT-1very easy very easy. [sotto voce].p.135
04:43:12.6FOHOT-2#. [sotto voce].p.135
04:43:12.8◦HOT[sound of click].p.135
04:43:14.2CAHOT-1alright [sotto voce].p.135
04:43:15.8FOHOT-2eighty knots.p.136
04:43:16.4CAHOT-1checks [sotto voce].p.136
04:43:17.7CAHOT-1very easy. #. #. #. #. #. #. #. #. [sotto voce].p.136
04:43:24.4FOHOT-2# sixty knots.p.136
04:43:27.6CAHOT-1ahh we're goin' off.p.136
04:43:27.7ATCOPS* * he's off the runway guys holy # he's off.p.136
04:43:33.8◦HOT[sound of banging].p.136
04:43:35.2◦HOT[sound of repeating single chime].p.136
04:43:35.7CAHOT-1alright.p.136
04:43:37.2◦HOTgear disagree [repeating electronic voice].p.136
04:43:38.9FOHOT-2#. [sotto voce].p.136
04:43:40.6CAHOT-1evacuation checklist.p.137
04:43:44.1CAHOT-1my checklist.p.137
04:43:44.8CAHOT-1call the flight attendant. call the flight attendant. call the flight attendant.p.137
04:43:49.0FOHOT-2call.p.137
04:43:49.8CAHOT-1'kay get out and help her.p.137
04:43:58.1CACAM-1get out and help her get out of the (checklist).p.137
04:44:06.3◦CAM[sound similar to cockpit door banging].p.137
04:44:07.3OBCAM-3(you in) there.p.137
04:44:08.1FOCAM-2alright?p.137
04:44:14.0FOCAM-2everyone okay?p.137
04:44:16.3OBCAM-3are you okay?p.137
04:44:17.1FOCAM-2* okay **?p.138
04:44:18.5OBCAM-3yeah ***.p.138
04:44:19.9◦CAM[sound of two single chimes].p.138
04:44:21.8CACAM-1alright hey a uhm & start evacuate the aircraft. alright?p.138
04:44:27.2OBCAM-3okay.p.138
04:44:31.9◦CAM[sound of triple chime].p.138
04:44:34.0◦CAMconfig the brakes [repeating electronic voice]p.138
04:44:40.9CARDO-1and center forty seven twelve.p.138
04:44:47.4CARDO-1center forty seven twelve.p.138
04:45:33.8◦CAM[sound similar to complex single 600 Hz tone].p.138
04:45:45.5CACAM-1okay I don't want shut all this off to be honest with you. so.p.139
04:46:32.3CAPA-1well ladies and gentlemen from the ah flight deck obviously the ah runway conditions are ah not the best. the aircraft ah overran the runway ahm and we're gonna have to coordinate with ground try to get you guys off the aircraft so please ah leave your personal items on-board and ah just give us about a minute or two figure out how we'll figure out how we pull everybody off.p.139
04:47:00.1CARDO-1operations forty seven twelve are you there?p.139
04:47:03.6FOCAM-2contact clearance wanna tell 'em?p.139
04:47:06.9CARDO-1operations forty seven twelve are you there?p.139
04:47:15.2CARDO-1operations forty seven twelve are you here?p.139
04:47:18.4ATCOPSyeah I I'm with ya forty seven twelve I'm comin' right for ya.p.139
04:47:21.6CARDO-1thank ya.p.139
04:47:28.2ATCOPSI dialed nine one one guys.p.140
04:47:39.1FOCAM-2APU still on.p.140
04:48:02.9CAMCAM-4everybody's been doin' alright no one no one's injured?p.140
04:48:06.7CAMCAM-4okay.p.140
04:49:35.0CACAM-1* *.p.140
04:49:36.2FOCAM-2ah #.p.140
04:49:37.1CACAM-1there goes my career.p.140
04:49:38.4CAMCAM-?folks I know the weather's bad but (we want to get you) off the plane okay (we're going to) go outside and got vehicles coming ****.p.140
04:49:47.8◦CAM[ground crew discussion concerning vehicle positioning].p.140
04:50:01.1◦CAM[sound similar to cell phone chime].p.141
04:50:08.7CARDO-1Minneapolis center forty seven twelve.p.141
04:50:12.1ATCCTRFlagship forty seven twelve go.p.141
04:50:14.0CARDO-1yeah we overran the runway here in Traverse City we're off the end.p.141
04:50:18.4ATCCTRyou overran the runway at Traverse City ahh roger.p.141
04:50:22.3CARDO-1local OPS is ah notified we just need to get some assistance out here.p.141
04:50:26.5ATCCTRokay I'll tell my supervisor.p.141
04:50:35.8CACAM-1I'm happy with the configuration right now.p.141
04:50:37.7FOCAM-2you're happy okay.p.141
04:50:38.6CACAM-1okay but I'd you to **.p.141
04:50:39.6FOCAM-2whaddya want me to do?p.142
04:50:41.9CACAM-1I wanna get everybody off and into a vehicle of some kind.p.142
04:50:45.0FOCAM-2**.p.142
04:50:46.3CACAM-1'cause I don't know * we're leakin' fuel. I don't know if we have any other problems.p.142
04:50:47.8FOCAM-2(sure).p.142
04:50:50.8FOCAM-2alright then we need to get these people off.p.142
04:50:51.2CACAM-1* *.p.142
04:50:52.5FOCAM-2'kay you wanna get the babies off first? on this van right here?p.142
04:50:56.9CACAM-1ah yeah get the BIA's.p.142
04:50:58.5FOCAM-2the BIA's?p.142
04:50:59.3CACAM-1one at a time get 'em in the vehicle.p.143
04:51:02.8CAMCAM-?[conversation about off loading the babies from the aircraft].p.143
04:51:11.4CACAM-1&, & & forty seven twelve.p.143
04:51:14.2CACAM-1we just ran off the end of the runway in Traverse City.p.143
04:51:14.3CAMCAM-?***.p.143
04:51:18.4CACAM-1there's no braking action at all on two eight and the airplane just didn’t stop, so. everybody on the airplane's okay but we're sittin' off about a hundred feet off the end of the runway.p.143
04:51:31.8CACAM-1yeah we got OPS out here and we're trying to coordinate with everybody. yeah.p.143
04:51:35.2APTAPT-5airport five to CFR on frequency.p.143
04:51:38.4CAMCAM-?[unintelligible conversation].p.143
04:52:08.9ATCCTRah Flagship forty seven twelve understand you notified OPS you don't need us notify anybody?p.144
04:52:09.4APTAPT-5airport five to CFR on frequency.p.144
04:52:30.3CACAM-1hello oh yeah, yeah, yeah it's, it's, and ** (left) one of the mains is off the ground it's by it's right wheel er a right wing and ah we've got the air stairs we got a lot of operations out here to help us there's no injuries to the passengers, ahm I'm just trying to ah manage gettin' everybody off the aircraft right now. yeah I mean we're at a a pretty good we're about a now at twenty degree angle to the end to the runway heading off the end of the runway. ah yeah but I'm gonna have to get goin' here a second to keep assisting with this. thank you.p.144
04:53:20.6CACAM-1hey & come here. & come here can you do me a favor.p.144
04:53:24.3FOCAM-2yeah.p.144
04:53:29.3CACAM-1sorry. everybody’s okay but the aircraft is definitely a loss you know I mean it's ah I don't know what else to do, I'm trying to get everybody off the plane as safely as possible 'cause right now I'm not sure of the configuration of the airplane you know what I mean? so I'm trying to get everybody, it's snowin' like crazy but I'd like to get 'em off the aircraft on to some type of transportation. they weren't answering on the in- range and ahm I got OPS on it I've notified ATC when to give them the buzz real quick and see if they answer no. standby.p.145
04:53:47.6ATCCTRFlagship forty seven twelve Minneapolis.p.145
04:54:05.0CARDO-1operations forty seven twelve you up?p.145
04:54:08.3CAMCAM-?okay.p.145
04:54:09.4ATCOPSforty seven twelve go ahead.p.145
04:54:11.6CARDO-1yeah we don- went off the end of the runway we're gonna need assistance off the end here to help offload ah passengers.p.145
04:54:16.9ATCOPSah guys we are ah in ah the works on on try to figure that at this ah moment we'll get right back with ya.p.146
04:54:23.4CARDO-1alright thanks.p.146
04:54:24.1CACAM-1ah I guess ah yeah my cell phone's [pilot recites a ten digit number] and I guess I I'm gonna want some advice on from you right now * are you more comfortable keeping people on this aircraft or do you want me to get 'em off away from the aircraft?p.146
04:54:46.2CACAM-1I get 'em out it's snowing like crazy it's cold but I don't know the condition of the aircraft as far as from the outside, ya know what I mean? we have the door open I've kinda done a walkaround it appears to be safe.p.146
04:55:00.9CACAM-1doesn't appear to be but like I said you know we're off the runway so and the main's not (on) the aircraft.p.146
04:55:15.6CACAM-1okay hey I gotta go I gotta go alright alright.p.146
04:55:20.6CAMCAM-?*** still got five thousand pounds of fuel on (on board).p.147
04:55:25.5CACAM-1okay, alright.p.147
04:55:28.0CAMCAM-?* want me to power down * * *?p.147
04:55:31.9◦CAM[sound similar to clanking].p.147
04:55:43.7◦CAM[sound of single chime]. End of Transcriptp.147